Continuing the discussion from Problem with self hosted instance: I feel like I have seen this too many times where people follow the install guide and come back and say that their install did not work. IMHO, I think by adding a section into the guide before the install, to run apt update & apt upgrade, would sort out this issue before it is a problem. It won’t harm anything by running it, but it will help having the updated software before creating the docker and etc Anyone have any comments on this ?

https://github.com/discourse/discourse/pull/14719

hi Gavin! I made a small comment on the PR; please take a look when you can. Other than that, looks good. Thanks for fixing the broken window :slight_smile:

i dont see a comment, only an edit am i blind ?

sorry - it’s been a looong while since I used Github’s review system. My review was pending :upside_down_face: You should now see it.

No worries :slight_smile: I made the changes. thank you :slight_smile:

[image] IAmGav: I feel like I have seen this too many times where people follow the install guide and come back and say that their install did not work. IMHO, I think by adding a section into the guide before the install, to run apt update & apt upgrade, would sort out this issue before it is a problem. This is a non sequitur. Can you give me any reproducible problem that this extra step realistically solve?

Slightly adjacent, but I found the excitement of actually getting the ‘Congratulations, you installed discourse! :tada:’ screen made me forget about the rest of the guide. :slightly_smiling_face: I did remember the Post-Install Maintenance eventually, but perhaps there’s space for a ‘Prepare your Cloud Server (optional)’ section inbetween “Access Your Cloud Server” and “Install Discourse”? That could include the dpkg-reconfigure -plow unattended-upgrades, apt install libpam-cracklib, and fail2ban info, and maybe the apt-get update/upgrade?

[image] Falco: Can you give me any reproducible problem that this extra step realistically solve? I doubt it. [image] JammyDodger: perhaps there’s space for a ‘Prepare your Cloud Server That’s not a bad idea. It might just point to a couple such guides that someone else is already maintaining. EDIT: And finding one that has just 5 things to do and not 25 looks like it’ll be a challenge. I think mostly this: configure apt for automatic upgrades and reboots installed fail2ban (though without password access for ssh, I’m not sure how necessary it is) see that ssh does not allow password logins (this is much easier now that Digital Ocean has a proper shell console that doesn’t require a password)

How about the firewall info? If you need or want a default firewall, turn on ufw for Ubuntu or use firewalld for CentOS/RHEL.

I think that if you need or want a firewall then you can go find out about firewalls somewhere else.

Should the install guide tell people to run apt update & apt upgrade first?

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Falco (Falco) October 27, 2021, 3:15pm 12

This is a non sequitur.

Can you give me any reproducible problem that this extra step realistically solve?

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Should the install guide tell people to run apt update & apt upgrade first?

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