I’m trying to enable automatic content localization (AI translation backfill) on my self-hosted Discourse instance and I’ve followed all the available guidelines, but I’m not seeing any translations appear. Here’s what I’ve done so far: Enabled content localization enabled Selected at least one language in content localization supported locales Enabled ai translation enabled Chosen a working ai translation model (test is successful) Set ai_translation_backfill_hourly_rate to a number greater than 0 (using the environment variable method in app.yml) Set ai translation max age days to a large value After saving and rebuilding, I posted topics in a different language than my user language preference, but nothing gets translated. I don’t see any evidence of translation jobs running (tried checking Sidekiq scheduled/queues), and the user-facing content remains untranslated. Is there anything else I should check, or any way to better diagnose why the translation backfill is not triggering?

[图片] nat: As mentioned by @GrahamM ai_translation_backfill_hourly_rate needs to be set by your site admin as it is a hidden setting. We’ve most recently unhidden the setting ai_translation_backfill_hourly_rate in this PR. That setting defaults to 0, and was originally hidden so that only hosters (who know what they’re doing) can set that value. You’ll need to update that to a value like 100.

Yes I saw that and changed it from 0 to 10 (see the screenshots above) and it’s still saying that backfill is disabled with no scheduled jobs. Is there some way to kick start it or is something else required? I’ve tried a 100 also but still no joy.

What posts are you trying to translate? Bot posts (users with ids <= 0) are not sent for translations. Are your posts in private categories?

The whole site in general, want to use users options to see posts in different languages. Not bot or private, 1000’s of public posts. Now this is very weird, when I see the dashboard now (19 hours later), I see this. It’s saying backfill is disabled but seems to have started doing some posts but it’s saying only 11 posts; is that how many are done or is that the total number it’s targeting or are those new posts? [image] One again, I don’t see any backfill jobs in scheduled jobs [image]

Huge thanks to @nat for looking into this, for others reference, the ai_translation_backfill_hourly_rate is different from ai_summary_backfill_hourly_rate and I was mixing them up. @nat it looks like the Translations backfill is now enabled, I see this in the dashboard Translation Progress Backfill settings are configured to translate all posts after June 25, 1998 — this is estimated to take 10 hours. However in the logs I see this error Message (9 copies reported) Job exception: limit Backtrace /var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/app/jobs/regular/localize_topics.rb:10:in `execute' /var/www/discourse/app/jobs/base.rb:318:in `block (2 levels) in perform' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/rails_multisite-7.0.0/lib/rails_multisite/connection_management/null_instance.rb:49:in `with_connection' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/rails_multisite-7.0.0/lib/rails_multisite/connection_management.rb:17:in `with_connection' /var/www/discourse/app/jobs/base.rb:305:in `block in perform' /var/www/discourse/app/jobs/base.rb:301:in `each' /var/www/discourse/app/jobs/base.rb:301:in `perform' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:220:in `execute_job' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:185:in `block (4 levels) in process' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:180:in `traverse' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:183:in `block in traverse' /var/www/discourse/lib/sidekiq/discourse_event.rb:6:in `call' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:182:in `traverse' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:183:in `block in traverse' /var/www/discourse/lib/sidekiq/pausable.rb:131:in `call' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:182:in `traverse' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:183:in `block in traverse' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/job/interrupt_handler.rb:9:in `call' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:182:in `traverse' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:183:in `block in traverse' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/metrics/tracking.rb:26:in `track' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/metrics/tracking.rb:134:in `call' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:182:in `traverse' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:173:in `invoke' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:184:in `block (3 levels) in process' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:145:in `block (6 levels) in dispatch' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/job_retry.rb:118:in `local' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:144:in `block (5 levels) in dispatch' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/config.rb:39:in `block in ' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:139:in `block (4 levels) in dispatch' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:281:in `stats' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:134:in `block (3 levels) in dispatch' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/job_logger.rb:15:in `call' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:133:in `block (2 levels) in dispatch' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/job_retry.rb:85:in `global' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:132:in `block in dispatch' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/job_logger.rb:40:in `prepare' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:131:in `dispatch' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:183:in `block (2 levels) in process' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:182:in `handle_interrupt' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:182:in `block in process' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:181:in `handle_interrupt' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:181:in `process' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:86:in `process_one' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:76:in `run' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/component.rb:10:in `watchdog' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/component.rb:19:in `block in safe_thread'

Can you set the value to 20 please? The translate job runs every 5 minutes, meaning the job will run 12 times an hour. There is some integer division going on here making the rate 0 when you take 10 ÷ 12 to get the limit per run.

Done will keep an eye on it, assuming this integer rounding issue will be handled in future. Does the same issue also impact AI summary backfill maximum topics per hour? EDIT: I can’t use 20 per hour with the current model (along with other AI featuers), it’s overflowing the model rate limits. Can I use a number below 20 like 12?

20 per hour would mean approx only 1 every 5 minutes. This will definitely not hit rate limits.

Oddly it seems to be hitting the limits. Before starting translations backfill, using discourse AI search/helper bot would work fine (which was the primary use of AI). But now it’s hitting the Gemini Flash 2.5 limits which is is 10 RPM, 250,000 TPM and 250 RPD. From the logs it appears that it’s hitting the 250 RPD limit per day for some reason when backfill is enabled. Is there a way to debug this to see how many requests it’s sending out or how often it’s sending out requests? Message DiscourseAi::Completions::Endpoints::Gemini: status: 429 - body: { "error": { "code": 429, "message": "You exceeded your current quota, please check your plan and billing details. For more information on this error, head to: https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/rate-limits. To monitor your current usage, head to: https://ai.dev/usage?tab=rate-limit. \n* Quota exceeded for metric: generativelanguage.googleapis.com/generate_content_free_tier_requests, limit: 250\nPlease retry in 45.454864372s.", "status": "RESOURCE_EXHAUSTED", "details": [ { "@type": "type.googleapis.com/google.rpc.Help", "links": [ { "description": "Learn more about Gemini API quotas", "url": "https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/rate-limits" } ] }, { "@type": "type.googleapis.com/google.rpc.QuotaFailure", "violations": [ { "quotaMetric": "generativelanguage.googleapis.com/generate_content_free_tier_requests", "quotaId": "GenerateRequestsPerDayPerProjectPerModel-FreeTier", "quotaDimensions": { "location": "global", "model": "gemini-2.5-flash" }, "quotaValue": "250" } ] }, { "@type": "type.googleapis.com/google.rpc.RetryInfo", "retryDelay": "45s" } ] } } Backtrace /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/activesupport-8.0.4/lib/active_support/broadcast_logger.rb:218:in `block in dispatch' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/activesupport-8.0.4/lib/active_support/broadcast_logger.rb:217:in `map' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/activesupport-8.0.4/lib/active_support/broadcast_logger.rb:217:in `dispatch' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/activesupport-8.0.4/lib/active_support/broadcast_logger.rb:129:in `error' /var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/completions/endpoints/base.rb:189:in `block (2 levels) in perform_completion!' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/net-http-0.7.0/lib/net/http.rb:2428:in `block in transport_request' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/net-http-0.7.0/lib/net/http/response.rb:320:in `reading_body' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/net-http-0.7.0/lib/net/http.rb:2425:in `transport_request' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/net-http-0.7.0/lib/net/http.rb:2379:in `request' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/rack-mini-profiler-4.0.1/lib/patches/net_patches.rb:19:in `block in request_with_mini_profiler' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/rack-mini-profiler-4.0.1/lib/mini_profiler/profiling_methods.rb:51:in `step' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/rack-mini-profiler-4.0.1/lib/patches/net_patches.rb:18:in `request_with_mini_profiler' /var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/completions/endpoints/base.rb:187:in `block in perform_completion!' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/net-http-0.7.0/lib/net/http.rb:1626:in `start' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/net-http-0.7.0/lib/net/http.rb:1064:in `start' /var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/completions/endpoints/base.rb:140:in `perform_completion!' /var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/completions/llm.rb:447:in `generate' /var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/personas/bot.rb:90:in `reply' /var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/translation/base_translator.rb:53:in `get_translation' /var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/translation/base_translator.rb:29:in `block in translate' /var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/translation/base_translator.rb:29:in `map' /var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/translation/base_translator.rb:29:in `translate' /var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/translation/topic_localizer.rb:12:in `localize' /var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/app/jobs/regular/localize_topics.rb:40:in `block (2 levels) in execute' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/activerecord-8.0.4/lib/active_record/relation/delegation.rb:101:in `each' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/activerecord-8.0.4/lib/active_record/relation/delegation.rb:101:in `each' /var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/app/jobs/regular/localize_topics.rb:38:in `block in execute' /var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/app/jobs/regular/localize_topics.rb:22:in `each' /var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/app/jobs/regular/localize_topics.rb:22:in `execute' /var/www/discourse/app/jobs/base.rb:318:in `block (2 levels) in perform' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/rails_multisite-7.0.0/lib/rails_multisite/connection_management/null_instance.rb:49:in `with_connection' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/rails_multisite-7.0.0/lib/rails_multisite/connection_management.rb:17:in `with_connection' /var/www/discourse/app/jobs/base.rb:305:in `block in perform' /var/www/discourse/app/jobs/base.rb:301:in `each' /var/www/discourse/app/jobs/base.rb:301:in `perform' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:220:in `execute_job' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:185:in `block (4 levels) in process' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:180:in `traverse' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:183:in `block in traverse' /var/www/discourse/lib/sidekiq/discourse_event.rb:6:in `call' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:182:in `traverse' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:183:in `block in traverse' /var/www/discourse/lib/sidekiq/pausable.rb:131:in `call' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:182:in `traverse' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:183:in `block in traverse' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/job/interrupt_handler.rb:9:in `call' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:182:in `traverse' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:183:in `block in traverse' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/metrics/tracking.rb:26:in `track' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/metrics/tracking.rb:134:in `call' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:182:in `traverse' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:173:in `invoke' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:184:in `block (3 levels) in process' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:145:in `block (6 levels) in dispatch' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/job_retry.rb:118:in `local' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:144:in `block (5 levels) in dispatch' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/config.rb:39:in `block in ' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:139:in `block (4 levels) in dispatch' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:281:in `stats' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:134:in `block (3 levels) in dispatch' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/job_logger.rb:15:in `call' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:133:in `block (2 levels) in dispatch' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/job_retry.rb:85:in `global' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:132:in `block in dispatch' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/job_logger.rb:40:in `prepare' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:131:in `dispatch' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:183:in `block (2 levels) in process' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:182:in `handle_interrupt' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:182:in `block in process' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:181:in `handle_interrupt' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:181:in `process' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:86:in `process_one' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:76:in `run' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/component.rb:10:in `watchdog' /var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/component.rb:19:in `block in safe_thread'

I don’t recommend using the free tier for translations. Translating a simple post can wipe out all the quota in the free tier. You can use the following query to check which post is using up the tokens: -- [params] -- date :start_date = '2025-11-01' SELECT feature_name, created_at, post_id, response_tokens FROM ai_api_audit_logs WHERE post_id IS NOT NULL AND created_at > :start_date AND (response_tokens IS NULL OR response_tokens != 1) ORDER BY created_at DESC Since I still have access to your site, I created it in your data explorer. Truly it is a post that wiped it out, you can see it on your site at /admin/plugins/explorer/queries/7.

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我会留意此事，假设此整数舍入问题将在未来得到处理。

同样的问题是否也会影响 AI 摘要回填每小时主题数上限？

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