I am in the early planning stages for a chat plugin that fulfills the goals mentioned here. When the initial version of the plugin is created I will create a new topic, however this topic is a good place to think about how this plugin will work. At this stage I’m thinking the plugin will have the following features. Chat lives in it’s own route, rather than in a shoutbox (Babble) or messagebox (Quick Messages). One question here is whether the header is present in this view. Compare Stack Exchange Chat, in which the normal site header is not present. Personally I think it should be, as it will allow normal site navigation and search, and also make chat feel like part of the ‘app’, even though it is in a separate route. A ‘presence’ feature, showing online members and activity such as typing. The compose input is ever-present in the UI, like in Babble or Quick Messages. In terms of chat ‘Channels’ one thought I have is that having an entirely separate hierarchy may be a bit confusing. I’m thinking it would be best to tie the chat channels into the existing Discourse hierarchy in some way. Perhaps the following: A channel that corresponds with / is linked to the ‘All categories’ topic list discovery (a ‘general channel’). A channel that corresponds with / is linked to each category. A channel that corresponds with / is linked to each tag. A channel that corresponds with / is linked to each topic? This may be going to far as it may start to deter people from creating posts in a topic. For example having ‘I’m having a problem with X…’ kind of post is often useful in a topic because if you (the reader) are having the same problem, you know you’re on the right track to find the answer. If this kind of question is posted in chat, a reader is less likely to come across it. A feature to turn a chat message or group of messages into a topic. If the approach in ‘4’ is taken, this could flow quite nicely, e.g. a chat in the ‘Feature’ category channel gets turned into a topic in the ‘Feature’ category. In terms of where the channels would be accessed in the UI this depends on things like ‘1’ and ‘4’. One potential way to do this would be to put a button in the topic list header. Like the other buttons in the topic list header it would be context dependent, e.g. it would toggle the chat for the discovery context you’re currently looking at, e.g. All Categories, ‘Feature’ category, ‘community-management’ tag etc. [image] Clicking that button would turn the topic list for that context into a chat stream with a compose at the bottom. I’m not quite sure how channels with users or groups of users would work yet. One thing that has to be figured out in this respect is how 'user/group channels would be distinct from the existing ‘user/group messages’. One way to do this would be to just have a chat that corresponds to each private message topic, however you run into a similar kind of issue I referred to above in the context of a chat channel for every topic, namely it’s not clear how the ‘chat’ and ‘topic’ post streams should interrelate. Should all chat messages also appear on the ‘topic’ version of the private message? I think it would be best to keep ‘private messages’ and ‘private channels’ separate. The other question regarding private channels is where they would appear in the UI. The ‘default’ would be as a separate view in the user profile, next to messages. [image] These are all just preliminary ideas. Would be keen to hear others’ thoughts on how ‘community chat’ might be implemented.

This is awesome work, thanks! Some thoughts: I wondered while playing about the way we differentiate between a ‘category’ and a ‘group’ chat. Here’s a quick mockup for something that feels intuitive to me: Group chat: [image] Category chat: [image] ‘Chat’ archetype seems simple and cool. Does this mean that topics won’t appear in the topics list anymore for admins? The chat button on a category seems like a great way to get into the full page chat; we’ll want a way to swap between chats once there though. I’ll have a play today to see what I can come up with there.

Cool. So there’d be one type of ‘create chat’, then within the view for the new chat you could set the permissions, name and groups? Does this mean that topics won’t appear in the topics list anymore for admins? Not by default. But there are a few ways we can exclude both I believe. I will look at this shortly. I’m updating the chat UI itself at the moment.

If you’re cool with the general direction, let’s merge full-page-chat-discovery into full-page-chat.

Any updates coming soon? Is it safe to implement on my site yet?

Not yet. Both Angus and I have been contracted for other Discourse work over the past bit, so this hasn’t surfaced yet. We are meeting up tomorrow for a hack day on this, so hoping to have a solid update then.

Looking forward to this guys :smiley: Great work!

@angus and I had a nice time yesterday hacking on this thing; we’re getting close to a first stopping point, after which we’ll encourage folks to install it and play around a little. Here’s a gif of the existing functionality: Creating a category chat [image] Having a chat in full page mode [image] We’ve also added a site setting which allows toggling between full page mode and the shoutbox style plugin which exists currently. If you really want to be on the bleeding edge, you can follow along with the following clone url: git clone -b full-page-chat https://github.com/gdpelican/babble.git And select ‘enable full page chat mode’ in the plugin settings. [image] But I couldn’t recommend throwing this onto a live instance just yet.

I approve this message :slight_smile: I would add that we have a basic plan for the rollout of all the features previously discussed in this thread, and even some not yet discussed, such as import from Slack. We’ll be releasing the MVP soon.

Zulip chat app has an interesting concept of “threaded group conversations” Another interesting example of this can be found in we-hate-distractions.com which takes a topic-centric approach to group chat. Just putting it out there for inspiration.

Aha 750$ per month for a local redit ^^ :joy:

Speccing out a full page chat plugin

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gdpelican (James Kiesel) July 18, 2017, 8:58pm 28

Can you describe what kind of ‘not working’ you’re seeing? As far as I can tell Babble is working with the latest version of Discourse.

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