# All tags page is empty for non-staff users

**URL:** https://meta.discourse.org/t/all-tags-page-is-empty-for-non-staff-users/271613
**Category:** Support
**Tags:** tags
**Created:** [July 14, 2023, 7:16am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/all-tags-page-is-empty-for-non-staff-users/271613 "2023-07-14T07:16:43Z")
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### Author: ![fpbhb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/meta/user_avatar/meta.discourse.org/fpbhb/32/310335_2.png) [@fpbhb](https://meta.discourse.org/u/fpbhb)
#### Post date: [July 14, 2023, 7:16am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/all-tags-page-is-empty-for-non-staff-users/271613/1 "2023-07-14T07:16:43Z")

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In our system, non-staff users have an empty `/tags` page, and they also see no tags in the edit tags navigation pop-up. Users _can_ use tags to tag posts, see the tags in tagged post, click on the tags etc. etc.

We don’t use tag groups, there are no default navigation tags. We _may_ have played around with those settings in the past, so I suspect it is some setting I don’t find, or an artifact/bug from past experimentation. Any hints where to look?

 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/meta/original/4X/6/3/7/637cd7f000f3b02e9e26cd5e881fba241ec05fbc.png)

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### Author: ![JammyDodger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/meta/user_avatar/meta.discourse.org/jammydodger/32/254611_2.png) [@JammyDodger](https://meta.discourse.org/u/JammyDodger)
#### Post date: [July 14, 2023, 8:07am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/all-tags-page-is-empty-for-non-staff-users/271613/2 "2023-07-14T08:07:51Z")

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I think this may be because you have tags used in categories with group permissions set (ie. they’re set to something other than `everyone`).

If so, I think you can use the `include secure categories in tag counts` to make them appear.

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### Author: ![JammyDodger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/meta/user_avatar/meta.discourse.org/jammydodger/32/254611_2.png) [@JammyDodger](https://meta.discourse.org/u/JammyDodger)
#### Post date: [July 17, 2023, 9:37am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/all-tags-page-is-empty-for-non-staff-users/271613/3 "2023-07-17T09:37:12Z")

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Just a small update on this - I believe this behaviour has actually been changed in this new commit:

[https://github.com/discourse/discourse/pull/22628](https://github.com/discourse/discourse/pull/22628)

If you update your site, users should now be able to have tags they have group-permission to see show up in their sidebar selector without needing to set `include secure categories in tag counts`. 🥳

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### Author: ![system](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/meta/user_avatar/meta.discourse.org/system/32/443519_2.png) [@system](https://meta.discourse.org/u/system)
#### Post date: [August 16, 2023, 9:37am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/all-tags-page-is-empty-for-non-staff-users/271613/4 "2023-08-16T09:37:59Z")

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