# Better solution to help TL0 / new users?
**URL:** https://meta.discourse.org/t/better-solution-to-help-tl0-new-users/23799
**Category:** Feature
**Created:** [January 9, 2015, 2:30am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/better-solution-to-help-tl0-new-users/23799 "2015-01-09T02:30:18Z")
**Posts on this page:** 12
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### Author:  [@gingerman](https://meta.discourse.org/u/gingerman)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2015, 2:30am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/better-solution-to-help-tl0-new-users/23799/1 "2015-01-09T02:30:18Z")
I understand the below topic is closed after lot of deliberation about using private messages to admin (moderator)
> [@I would like a site setting that allows TL0 to PM staff](https://meta.discourse.org/t/i-would-like-a-site-setting-that-allows-tl0-to-pm-staff/23296):
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> So I’ve been struggling with posting this for the past 3 days and finally decided it still bothers me and thus I want to know if I’m alone or not on this. I don’t mind that TL 0 can’t PM other members, but what does bother me is they can’t directly PM staff. Sure they can use flags (I think), but we’ve had a couple of members not realize that and spend countless time trying to figure out how to directly PM one of us, only to give up and posting a public response that they can’t PM us. As I’ve …
The major drawbacks in using PM to communicate with admin(moderator) / admin (moderator) group for new users are
- Spams
- Change in Trust Level System
- No transparency to other moderators / admins about the conversation
- No flexibility in control - it is all in or nothing kind of setting
But the actual problem is still there - it is important to make new users comfortable before they understand the community. There are always people who dont discover FAQ link or dont read the content in FAQ. They would love to have some user interaction before they do the right things. Anyone who is managing the community will understand this.
So I propose the following approach to address this problem.
- Create a category called “ **newbie** ”.
- Assign “ **Create only** ” permission for TL0 users
- Assign “ **Create, Reply and See** ” permission for Admins / Moderators
- **Create Only Permission**
This is very similar to Lounge category created for TL3 & above. A community can create / delete lounge & newbie categories if required.
**Advantages of this approach**
- A new user feel comfortable in knowing there is a place to ask any noob questions without people judgment
- The workload of answering questions is shared among the admin / moderator groups or may be others we identify as community managers
- All newbie questions are visible to all admins / moderators / community managers at one place. We can identify if there is any pattern and create new FAQs and banners accordingly.
- No need to change the existing Trust level privileges or security controls. We can leverage the existing security infrastructure of categories.
- No new UI / UX changes.
- This is completely an optional step for a community. They can remove the category or change the minimum trust levels at any time.
- We can leverage the tags, subcategories features to organize the newbie questions as well.
- This small addition in category will also help in increasing the adoption of discourse in many other usecases like
- helpdesk for customers in SAAS / tech support in any organization
- talk to your CEO / ombudsman kind of scenarios for internal usage in orgs
- for personalized training / q & a among introvert / health related audience.
@cpradio @HAWK @Mittineague @Gabe @TechnoBear @JSey @purldator what do you guys think ?
@erlend_sh @mcwumbly @lightyear do you guys think if there is any known drawback in this approach ?
I believe this is technically less complex approach with more benefits
Please let me know your comments
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### Author:  [@sam](https://meta.discourse.org/u/sam)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2015, 2:34am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/better-solution-to-help-tl0-new-users/23799/2 "2015-01-09T02:34:47Z")
This ain’t gonna solve the problem. Example issues of new users:
- How do I log on?
- How do I create a topic?
- Why can I not post images?
- Why can I not include links in my post?
Creating more work for moderators is not the way of solving this issue.
Create and See has already been discussed in another topic, I am not sure if this topic is needed.
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### Author:  [@codinghorror](https://meta.discourse.org/u/codinghorror)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2015, 2:47am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/better-solution-to-help-tl0-new-users/23799/3 "2015-01-09T02:47:13Z")
A “newbie help” category is something I proposed in the original topic.. I like the idea of users helping users but it might not be fun for the more experienced users. And it might not scale.
Please don’t mass name mention a bunch of folks like that though, and the links were a bit tenous and too many of them so I took the liberty of editing your post.
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### Author:  [@sam](https://meta.discourse.org/u/sam)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2015, 3:42am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/better-solution-to-help-tl0-new-users/23799/4 "2015-01-09T03:42:23Z")
my concern here is that its not a “newbie help” category, its more of a “newbie” feel free to vampire staff category.
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### Author:  [@gingerman](https://meta.discourse.org/u/gingerman)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2015, 3:49am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/better-solution-to-help-tl0-new-users/23799/5 "2015-01-09T03:49:46Z")
@sam I am just curious…If there is a category where everyone can create/reply/see topics like [meta.discourse.org](http://meta.discourse.org), how do you control them from posting irrelevant stuff ?
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### Author:  [@sam](https://meta.discourse.org/u/sam)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2015, 4:28am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/better-solution-to-help-tl0-new-users/23799/6 "2015-01-09T04:28:25Z")
Not following your question.
You are suggesting a topic where newbies can create and mods triage and reply. A sort of public to a degree private message. I can see it useful in some cases, but do not think it is a great way of handling newbie issues as it loads up moderators with work.
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### Author:  [@Mittineague](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Mittineague)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2015, 4:36am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/better-solution-to-help-tl0-new-users/23799/7 "2015-01-09T04:36:34Z")
> [@gingerman](#):
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> Spams
Not a drawback as far as I’m concerned. If I see SPAM - it’s gone. Asking for private help - sorry, start a Topic, Something related to the forum that they’re too shy to voice openly - help them
> [@gingerman](#):
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> Change in Trust Level System
That indeed could be a messy thing to code
> [@gingerman](#):
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> No transparency to other moderators / admins about the conversation
Moderators can always Invite other Mods, Admins don’t need an Invite
> [@gingerman](#):
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> No flexibility in control - it is all in or nothing kind of setting
??? sorry, I don’t know what you mean by that
Anyway, what you are describing is having a category acting as a PM
And I don’t know, but it seems getting it to be visible to only the OP and Mods would likewise be messy to code.
We have opted for a more explicit “you can reply to this Welcome PM” for the time being and put the concern on the back burner.
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### Author:  [@purldator](https://meta.discourse.org/u/purldator)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2015, 11:24am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/better-solution-to-help-tl0-new-users/23799/8 "2015-01-09T11:24:01Z")
I agree with what is said above why the proposed system by @gingerman isn’t viable. But I don’t poo-poo their time to think about it and actually write it out. Thank you for doing that, it’s appreciated.
Isn’t there a proposed feature coming up that allows anon posting? That takes care of the “I don’t want others to know it’s me asking the question”.
EDIT: I realize my second question and initial idea was related to what @gingerman was proposing. At this point, I throw up my hands at this in a frustrating mien and go do something else not related to this quandary.
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### Author:  [@cpradio](https://meta.discourse.org/u/cpradio)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2015, 12:25pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/better-solution-to-help-tl0-new-users/23799/9 "2015-01-09T12:25:45Z")
> [@gingerman](#):
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> Assign “Create only” permission for TL0 users
Except, this, automatically permits TL 1-4 too. It is a \>= when it comes to TL’s, if I recall correctly.
This also has a bad assumption. You are assuming those who are having troubles using Discourse, are capable of using Discourse enough to get help.
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### Author:  [@gingerman](https://meta.discourse.org/u/gingerman)
#### Post date: [January 13, 2015, 4:18am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/better-solution-to-help-tl0-new-users/23799/10 "2015-01-13T04:18:20Z")
Thanks to @Mittineague @cpradio @purldator for providing your views.
I believe every community will have 2 kinds of new users.
1st category of new users - have no clue about the basic features like posting. Let’s assume someone born in 1950s who are new to internet. You can help them with emails and first time PMs.
2nd category of new users - knew how to use basic features but still have questions if certain topics are relevant in some places and they are basically shy to participate until they are confident. These are the people who feel confident after conversing with someone. They want to avoid the embarrasment of being wrong among others. Let’s assume students, people new to a place.
All my ideas may not help the category 1 but it will surely help category 2.
I have been testing with a public category called “help” in my community. Still I get questions in email about many things before they post. FAQ and banner messages cannot solve everything. I understand this may not be scalable but the alternative is losing the audience.
Thanks @sam @codinghorror for the replies as well. As I explained, as a community manager I think from retaining and growing my audience whatever it takes…in an ideal world everything should be scalable but in reality we may have to take alternate routes.
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### Author:  [@cpradio](https://meta.discourse.org/u/cpradio)
#### Post date: [January 13, 2015, 11:22am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/better-solution-to-help-tl0-new-users/23799/11 "2015-01-13T11:22:31Z")
> [@gingerman](#):
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> I believe every community will have 2 kinds of new users.
I believe there to be more than that 😉
Our issues are different too, which means our solutions wouldn’t (necessarily) be the same.
> [@gingerman](#):
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> 2nd category of new users - knew how to use basic features but still have questions if certain topics are relevant in some places and they are basically shy to participate until they are confident. These are the people who feel confident after conversing with someone. They want to avoid the embarrasment of being wrong among others. Let’s assume students, people new to a place.
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> All my ideas may not help the category 1 but it will surely help category 2.
I honestly believe because your category 2 users want a private conversation, the Help category is likely still public. Primarily because Create only set to TL 0 doesn’t limit it to TL 0. Would more advanced security settings permit these users to use a category for their assistance? Maybe. But I don’t see it happening simply because they’d need to be reassured that the category is “private”, no one but staff/whomever can see their questions (that’s a lot of teaching that has to happen that is explicitly assumed with Private Messages).
> [@gingerman](#):
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> I have been testing with a public category called “help” in my community. Still I get questions in email about many things before they post. FAQ and banner messages cannot solve everything.
I’m curious to hear how things continue to progress with your experiment. My guess is you’ll always continue to get emails, what would be really interesting is if the number of emails start to become less and less over time.
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### Author:  [@chapoi](https://meta.discourse.org/u/chapoi)
#### Post date: [December 4, 2025, 11:33am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/better-solution-to-help-tl0-new-users/23799/12 "2025-12-04T11:33:27Z")