# Build a sandbox to test changes before making them live
**URL:** https://meta.discourse.org/t/build-a-sandbox-to-test-changes-before-making-them-live/58298
**Category:** Sysadmins
**Tags:** how-to
**Created:** [March 3, 2017, 1:34pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/build-a-sandbox-to-test-changes-before-making-them-live/58298 "2017-03-03T13:34:07Z")
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### Author:  [@JagWaugh](https://meta.discourse.org/u/JagWaugh)
#### Post date: [March 3, 2017, 1:34pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/build-a-sandbox-to-test-changes-before-making-them-live/58298/1 "2017-03-03T13:34:08Z")
Regardless of if you’re a moderator or an admin, you will no doubt at some time think about making some change to your live site and wonder if this will bring shame on you, and/or cause yourself an enormous amount of work to put right again.
There is an easy solution to this: build yourself a sandbox! You can restore a backup of your live site to the sandbox and this will give you a representative post and user base, then you can play Dangerous Dan all you want.
(If it isn’t your site, then talk to the admin/site owner first, and make sure they are ok with you cloning the site.)
All you need is:
- A host, preferably with the same OS as your live install.
- A mail provider (at least temporarily for the setup)
- The 30 minute install instructions
- A backup of your live site.
**HOST**
I used a free tier AWS instance, and installed Ubuntu 16.04. I increased the size of the disk as it was too small to handle restoring the 4.5GB backup. I didn’t bother setting up a domain or encryption, or https. Just a straight box that I could reach via putty and a browser.
**MAIL PROVIDER**
I used AWS for this as well, I only wanted mail to complete the discourse setup and verify that the setup actually worked. The last thing I wanted was my sandbox to start sending emails out to our users. You could probably skip setting up email entirely.
**DISCOURSE INSTALL**
SSH into the box
sudo -s
apt-get install htop
dpkg-reconfigure -plow unattended-upgrades
apt-get update
apt-get upgrade
apt-get autoclean
apt-get autoremove
shutdown -r
When the box comes back up check if the login message says “a restart is required” (keep an eye out for this whenever you SSH into the box)
Follow the excellent [Simple 30 minute basic install](https://github.com/discourse/discourse/blob/master/docs/INSTALL-cloud.md)
**POST INSTALL**
Once the box is up and you’ve complete the web part of the setup, received your email, used that to login to the website, run a backup.
SSH into the box
Make a copy of your app.yml
```
sudo -s
cd /var/discourse/containers
cp app.yml LIVEapp.yml
nano app.yml
```
add “NOT-” to the beginning of the SMTP variables (to make sure that your sandbox won’t be able to send emails unless you change those settings again):
```
DISCOURSE_SMTP_ADDRESS: NOT-email...
DISCOURSE_SMTP_PORT: 587
DISCOURSE_SMTP_USER_NAME: NOT-...
DISCOURSE_SMTP_PASSWORD: NOT-...
```
save the file and exit nano (Ctrl-o, enter, Ctrl-x)
Rebuild the app:
```
cd /var/discourse
git pull
./launcher rebuild app
```
When the rebuild is finished check that you can still reach the website and login etc.
Back in the CLI:
- check how much disk space you have (and note it down somewhere)
`df -h`
- check how your RAM usage is (and note it down somewhere)
`free -h`
- Have a gander at htop to see what an unloaded blank install looks like
`htop`
- f10 or Ctrl-c to exit htop
`./launcher cleanup`
In the GUI go to `sitename/admin/site_settings/category/backups` and set a checkmark on “allow restore”
Visit your live site and download a recent backup (including uploads) from /admin/backups.
Go to /admin/backups and upload the backup.
Back in the CLI check how much space you have with free-h, IIRC the restore needs about 3x the size of the backup to complete without crashing because your disk is full. If in doubt, fix that now.
Restore the backup to your sandbox site.
While the restore is running, watch what is going on with htop and df-h (it’s a geek thing).
When the restore is complete, goto /admin/settings and change the following:
“disable emails” set a check mark.
Look through all of the settings (use “Only show overridden”) and change any site settings related to S3, CDNs, CSS, permalinks etc so you won’t be interfering (or masquerading) as your live site.
Back in the CLI:
`./launcher rebuild app`
You don’t really need to do it, but as you may have noticed, I’m a belt and braces kind of a guy, so…
`shutdown -r`
When it comes back up you should have a functioning site with content, but you won’t be able to login with your live credentials.
SSH into the sandbox
```
sudo -s
cd /var/discourse
./launcher enter app
rake admin:create
```
Answer the questions. You can either set a password for your live account, or create a new admin (I used [none@nonexistent.com](mailto:none@nonexistent.com) as an email).
Now you can login to the sandbox GUI with the email and password you just set.
The last thing to do is add the plugins which your live site has to your app.yml, then ./launcher rebuild app one last time, then configure any plugin settings as your live site has.
You now have a working sandbox to play with, including content, And damned be him that first cries, “Hold, enough!”.
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### Author:  [@mikechristopher](https://meta.discourse.org/u/mikechristopher)
#### Post date: [March 3, 2017, 3:18pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/build-a-sandbox-to-test-changes-before-making-them-live/58298/2 "2017-03-03T15:18:48Z")
Quick question on this as pretty new to AWS
- when setting the domain what did you use (if you dont have a domain) - I was able to use the public dns / IP to start but once you stop the server the IP address changes unless you use elastic IPs.
I am now able to access it on the new IP - however will this not cause me issues with the IP changing constantly everytime I stop / start it when I need it.?
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### Author:  [@JagWaugh](https://meta.discourse.org/u/JagWaugh)
#### Post date: [March 3, 2017, 3:28pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/build-a-sandbox-to-test-changes-before-making-them-live/58298/3 "2017-03-03T15:28:42Z")
I used elastic IP for SSH, and the public dns for the web interface.
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### Author:  [@mitchellk](https://meta.discourse.org/u/mitchellk)
#### Post date: [March 3, 2017, 4:04pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/build-a-sandbox-to-test-changes-before-making-them-live/58298/4 "2017-03-03T16:04:07Z")
Gonna go through this in the morning, thanks for putting this together
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### Author:  [@JagWaugh](https://meta.discourse.org/u/JagWaugh)
#### Post date: [March 3, 2017, 4:13pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/build-a-sandbox-to-test-changes-before-making-them-live/58298/5 "2017-03-03T16:13:29Z")
Take notes for the AWS setup (if you’re using them). I spent about 2 hours peering at the AWS docs and googling until I’d managed to get a machine that I could SSH into. I didn’t take any notes, as with each step I kept thinking “ok, so as soon as I figure out this minor thing I’ll be able to move on to the discourse install”.
The AWS doc’s aren’t exactly Ikea assembly instructions, I took a while to twig their terminology. Mind you, it could be [worse](https://youtu.be/Ac7G7xOG2Ag).
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### Author:  [@pfaffman](https://meta.discourse.org/u/pfaffman)
#### Post date: [March 3, 2017, 6:06pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/build-a-sandbox-to-test-changes-before-making-them-live/58298/6 "2017-03-03T18:06:22Z")
Agreed! To me, AWS is a twisty maze of passages that all look the same. Digital Ocean has much, much, less flexibility than AWS, but there’s relatively little that can go wrong setting up a droplet.
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### Author:  [@JagWaugh](https://meta.discourse.org/u/JagWaugh)
#### Post date: [March 3, 2017, 6:28pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/build-a-sandbox-to-test-changes-before-making-them-live/58298/7 "2017-03-03T18:28:39Z")
Yes, I found AWS to be very… _atomic_. The bits are all there, but it takes some energy to create a molecule.
I first tried a Ubuntu VM on a Windows PC then my Synology. The windows PC died and my Syno was woefully weak on RAM… then I noticed Amazon’s free tier. Our live site is on AWS, so it was a match for me.
10$/month for a DO droplet isn’t much, but it is still 10$/month, and AWS’s complication kind of forced me to dig a bit deeper into what is going on behind.
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### Author:  [@ljpp](https://meta.discourse.org/u/ljpp)
#### Post date: [March 3, 2017, 6:33pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/build-a-sandbox-to-test-changes-before-making-them-live/58298/8 "2017-03-03T18:33:52Z")
- autoclean & autoremove after the upgrades
- I have always kept my plugins in place during transfers from a server to another. One less rebuild.
- Arubacloud’s 1€ VPS should fit the bill here, if 20GB SSD is sufficient. ScaleWay’s 2.99€/50GB is the next option.
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### Author:  [@pfaffman](https://meta.discourse.org/u/pfaffman)
#### Post date: [March 3, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/build-a-sandbox-to-test-changes-before-making-them-live/58298/9 "2017-03-03T19:02:51Z")
> [@JagWaugh](#):
>
> I noticed Amazon’s free tier
That’s why I tried it too. Somehow I managed to create something that kept billing me even though all of my instances were shut down. I think it was an elastic IP, or maybe some kind of disk space.
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### Author:  [@JagWaugh](https://meta.discourse.org/u/JagWaugh)
#### Post date: [March 3, 2017, 7:03pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/build-a-sandbox-to-test-changes-before-making-them-live/58298/10 "2017-03-03T19:03:52Z")
Snapshots or volumes…
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### Author:  [@moparisthebest](https://meta.discourse.org/u/moparisthebest)
#### Post date: [March 4, 2017, 1:50pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/build-a-sandbox-to-test-changes-before-making-them-live/58298/11 "2017-03-04T13:50:35Z")
Do you use https on your main site? Because by not setting it up here for testing, and then uploading your entire backup unencrypted over http you exposed it to anyone in the way listening, including emails, password hashes, private messages etc.
What you should have done is created a self signed cert, used letsencrypt, or simply went over an ssh tunnel. All these would protect you.
You should probably edit your post so others don’t make the same mistake.
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### Author:  [@JagWaugh](https://meta.discourse.org/u/JagWaugh)
#### Post date: [March 4, 2017, 2:27pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/build-a-sandbox-to-test-changes-before-making-them-live/58298/12 "2017-03-04T14:27:09Z")
> [@moparisthebest](#):
>
> What you should have done is created a self signed cert, used letsencrypt, or simply went over an ssh tunnel. All these would protect you.
Could you give us a walk through how to do that, particularly the creation of a self signed cert?
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### Author:  [@david](https://meta.discourse.org/u/david)
#### Post date: [March 4, 2017, 2:27pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/build-a-sandbox-to-test-changes-before-making-them-live/58298/13 "2017-03-04T14:27:16Z")
AWS free tier isn’t really suitable for Discourse - there’s not enough RAM, and adding swap files will go very badly as soon as they start to get used due to the I/O restrictions on EBS.
It might be alright for a sandbox, but if you run anything memory intensive (like a migration or upgrade) then it might grind to a halt.
> [@david](#):
>
> We had major issues with swap files on small T2 EC2 instances - when the swap actually gets used it hits the maximum IO on the EBS disk, and everything grinds to a halt. Moved to a smaller, cheaper server on digital ocean and all was fine.
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### Author:  [@JagWaugh](https://meta.discourse.org/u/JagWaugh)
#### Post date: [March 4, 2017, 2:34pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/build-a-sandbox-to-test-changes-before-making-them-live/58298/14 "2017-03-04T14:34:31Z")
> [@david](#):
>
> It might be alright for a sandbox, but if you run anything memory intensive
“For a sandbox” being the main point here. The free tier instance does indeed limit what you can expect the box to do in a reasonable time (I can say for a fact that a rebake on 1.8 million posts just isn’t going to work). But for someone trying to evaluate plugins, or CSS or such, a free sandbox is a good thing to have.
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### Author:  [@david](https://meta.discourse.org/u/david)
#### Post date: [March 4, 2017, 2:37pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/build-a-sandbox-to-test-changes-before-making-them-live/58298/15 "2017-03-04T14:37:24Z")
Agreed - if all you’re doing is messing with CSS then it’ll _probably_ be fine, but if you’re installing plugins or updating using docker-manager there could be problems.
The issues we had didn’t just make things slow, they completely brought the OS to a standstill and we had to restart the server.
As you say - if it is just a sandbox then that’s not the end of the world, but worth being aware of.
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### Author:  [@Bathinda](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Bathinda)
#### Post date: [April 12, 2020, 6:32am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/build-a-sandbox-to-test-changes-before-making-them-live/58298/16 "2020-04-12T06:32:30Z")
> [@JagWaugh](#):
>
> Follow the excellent [Simple 30 minute basic install](https://github.com/discourse/discourse/blob/master/docs/INSTALL-cloud.md)
One thing which is much confusing, whether we’re supposed to use 2 different domain names?
One which is already has our live website running.
And another on which this ‘sandbox disco site’ is to be installed on? (As I understand, disco instances can’t be installed and run and used on IP addresses).
And what if we’re already using S3 backups on our live site? Do we need to download those backups to our local pc first to be used/restored on to this sandbox disco instance?
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### Author:  [@pfaffman](https://meta.discourse.org/u/pfaffman)
#### Post date: [April 12, 2020, 11:24am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/build-a-sandbox-to-test-changes-before-making-them-live/58298/17 "2020-04-12T11:24:10Z")
Yes each site needs its own fqdn.
You can configure the staging site to use the same backup bucket and then it can directly restore from the production site backup.
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### Author:  [@Bathinda](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Bathinda)
#### Post date: [April 12, 2020, 11:40am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/build-a-sandbox-to-test-changes-before-making-them-live/58298/18 "2020-04-12T11:40:37Z")
> [@pfaffman](#):
>
> ou can configure the stagin
Thanks.
But I think it’d better if we keep the staging site’s bucket separate/afresh. Lest it might (somehow/by mistake) overwrite its own backup on the production’s latest (and perhaps sole) backup!!
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### Author:  [@pfaffman](https://meta.discourse.org/u/pfaffman)
#### Post date: [April 12, 2020, 12:06pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/build-a-sandbox-to-test-changes-before-making-them-live/58298/19 "2020-04-12T12:06:12Z")
What I do is turn off automatic backups on the staging site. You can do it in an environment variable in the yml file, so it cannot be changed.
The ability to be able to restore the backup to another server without the step of moving the file is very handy.
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### Author:  [@Bathinda](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Bathinda)
#### Post date: [April 12, 2020, 12:09pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/build-a-sandbox-to-test-changes-before-making-them-live/58298/20 "2020-04-12T12:09:28Z")
I hard to believe that you get so much time to help people on this site for so long.
How can one earn his living, be faithful to his own life/family, and yet be so efficient to others!!
It looks too tough to me.
And to my friend circle too (when I tell them).
I’ve seen many others help each other on meta and on other forums.
But to help every one for so many years, doesn’t seem so easy.
There is something extra in you.
P.S.: Or I’m missing something big in life.
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