Community Forum vs Community CMS?


(Charles Wilmott) #1

Community Forum software vs Community CMS software.
Which do you think is more needed?

discourse offers some very good community features
such as

  • mention
  • email digiest
  • likes
  • Easy scroll
  • Encourages good behaviors
  • User management
  • Backups
  • Spam mangerment

But end product is a forum style community.

A social CMS could be more modular and be more easily
tailored for different types of communities but still have back bone of discourse to build good communities! :smile:

Which do you think is more needed , Community CMS or Community Forum?


(Jeff Atwood) #2

Can you provide specific examples and URLs and screenshots of what you mean?


(Admir Hodzic) #3

In My case,
We start using DNN as Cms we thought that it will be central place for all kind of socialing our users.
What we fund that simple users without exta computers skills hard to use DNN.
We tryed to integrate BLOG, Wiki Pedia, Annaucments, forum private messaging,request for tehnical support and others on one portal.
But what we fund is thah users hard to using complicated CMS and not using them at all.
So we swiched to discourse.
Simplicity of discource pushed everyday users to be more active and to to be more social involved.
Side effect of swiching to discource was that we as admin was missing CMS funcionality. As blog, as advnaced menu as structured forms for input data, as integrating other modules in posts like calendar ,SSRS, maps, tables, custom registration user forms with many user cumstom fields etc.
So we as admins continue to using CMS to comunicate in relationships staff to users, and to hold database of users.
And to use discourse for comunicating users to users.

I think that you need both for good envroment and CMS and Forum.
And with SSO you can easly connect these two


(Erlend Sogge Heggen) #4

I wrote at length about this on my blog, having gone down the “all-in-one CMS” road only to do a full 180.

Foundation re-defined - Going back to specialised applications

I’m gonna unabashedly quote myself for the tl;dr

As far as our community goes, what kept people coming was never the Galleries, the per-project Wiki or the Advanced User Profiles. It was …drumroll… the forum. So now we were stuck with a sub-par forum that everyone used, and a bunch of other sub-par features that no one used.

In pursuit of the all-encompassing solution, I had downgraded the heart and soul of our website, and by extension our community, the forum.

Don’t underestimate the power of focus. Not even Facebook was able to compete with the more focused alternatives to its Facebook Albums (Instagram) or Facebook Chat (Whatsapp), so it shelled out billions and bought them without even merging them into their core product, exactly because that would have ruined the focus and users would flock to other competitors.

The way we’ll strive to use Discourse in my renewed community is to pass everything through the forum stream. Not every piece of content will originate from there, but it will all be linked from there somehow.


(Charles Wilmott) #5

Being focused in best! :blush:

There’s a gap in the market for a social cms

Everytime you want to build a community
you need to start a community software from scratch using laravel or ruby on rails

Or you use existing cms with community extension.

So there’s no community 1st cms. I’m guess that’s why I’m using
discourse because see more as a cms that missing in market at the moment

Have we done a discourse community survey?

What community are you using discourse for?
Why did you choose discourse?

It would be interest to see! :blush:


(Charles Wilmott) #6

your still trying to tailor discourse forum for every community forum
situation

Don’t underestimate the power of focus. Not even Facebook was able to compete with the more > focused alternatives to its Facebook Albums (Instagram) or Facebook Chat (Whatsapp), so it shelled out billions and bought them without even merging them into their core product, exactly because that would have ruined the focus and users would flock to other competitors.

This is really for the end users and not the web developer or web designers
who have to create the community platform

better comprasion

discourse vs vbulletin

laravel vs ruby on rails

PHP vs HMVC

Wordpress vs Drupal

These are the tools to create the focused alternatives!

Something like a Drupal Social CMS that include all discourse current admin and management features
and can be extended easily

Problem nearly all cms are more like web directories. Their great at listing and presenting content and organizing content. But lack any good support features to build a platform for a community.


(Erlend Sogge Heggen) #7

No offence intended, but it’s hard to grasp the point you’re trying to make. Your replies are all over the place.

[quote=“CharlesWil, post:5, topic:24956”]
So there’s no community 1st cms.
[/quote]Many have tried, open source as well as proprietary.

For a variety of reasons, none of them have become nowhere near as prevalent as their more narrowly focused CMS and forum counterparts.


(Charles Wilmott) #8

Sorry I realize I’ve said this wrong, I should said CCK and not CMS.

I was thinking along the lines of drupal which is CCK and not a CMS


(Charles Wilmott) #9

For me this seem to be right thing to do

I found this quote on stackexchange

If you really want to learn RoR, do it all from scratch. Seriously. Roll your own. It’s the best way to learn, far better than hacking through someone else’s code. If you do that, sometimes you’ll be learning Rails, but sometimes you’ll just be learning that specific social network framework. And you won’t know which is which…

The type of site you’re suggesting sounds perfect for a Rails project. If you get stuck, then go browse the repositories of these frameworks. Who cares if you’re reinventing the wheel? It’s your site, your vision, your rules.