更新到 2026.8.0 后，Gemini 的 Disco Bot / AI 搜索功能失效

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更新到 2026.8.0 后，当使用 Gemini Flash Latest (3.7) 作为模型时，AI 发现（AI discovery）功能不再正常工作。在搜索界面中，Disco Bot 会抛出错误。我在站点日志中看到以下内容：

Message (4 copies reported)

Job exception: {
  "error": {
    "code": 400,
    "message": "Role 'function' is not supported. Please use a valid role: SYSTEM, SYSTEM_1, USER, ASSISTANT, DEVELOPER, CONTEXT, USER_CONTEXT, MODEL, USER.",
    "status": "INVALID_ARGUMENT"
  }
}


Backtrace

/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/completions/endpoints/base.rb:346:in 'block (3 levels) in DiscourseAi::Completions::Endpoints::Base#perform_completion_request_with_retries'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/net-http-0.9.1/lib/net/http.rb:2461:in 'block in Net::HTTP#transport_request'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/net-http-0.9.1/lib/net/http/response.rb:321:in 'Net::HTTPResponse#reading_body'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/net-http-0.9.1/lib/net/http.rb:2458:in 'Net::HTTP#transport_request'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/net-http-0.9.1/lib/net/http.rb:2410:in 'Net::HTTP#request'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/rack-mini-profiler-4.0.1/lib/patches/net_patches.rb:19:in 'block in Net::HTTP#request_with_mini_profiler'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/rack-mini-profiler-4.0.1/lib/mini_profiler/profiling_methods.rb:51:in 'Rack::MiniProfiler::ProfilingMethods#step'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/rack-mini-profiler-4.0.1/lib/patches/net_patches.rb:18:in 'Net::HTTP#request_with_mini_profiler'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/completions/endpoints/base.rb:334:in 'block (2 levels) in DiscourseAi::Completions::Endpoints::Base#perform_completion_request_with_retries'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/net-http-0.9.1/lib/net/http.rb:1630:in 'Net::HTTP#start'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/net-http-0.9.1/lib/net/http.rb:1064:in 'Net::HTTP.start'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/completions/endpoints/base.rb:315:in 'block in DiscourseAi::Completions::Endpoints::Base#perform_completion_request_with_retries'
<internal:kernel>:168:in 'Kernel#loop'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/completions/endpoints/base.rb:291:in 'DiscourseAi::Completions::Endpoints::Base#perform_completion_request_with_retries'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/completions/endpoints/base.rb:192:in 'DiscourseAi::Completions::Endpoints::Base#perform_completion!'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/completions/llm.rb:254:in 'DiscourseAi::Completions::Llm#generate'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/agents/bot.rb:269:in 'DiscourseAi::Agents::Bot#reply'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/app/jobs/regular/stream_discover_reply.rb:43:in 'Jobs::StreamDiscoverReply#execute'
/var/www/discourse/app/jobs/base.rb:313:in 'block (2 levels) in Jobs::Base#perform'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/rails_multisite-7.0.0/lib/rails_multisite/connection_management/null_instance.rb:49:in 'RailsMultisite::ConnectionManagement::NullInstance#with_connection'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/rails_multisite-7.0.0/lib/rails_multisite/connection_management.rb:17:in 'RailsMultisite::ConnectionManagement.with_connection'
/var/www/discourse/app/jobs/base.rb:300:in 'block in Jobs::Base#perform'
/var/www/discourse/app/jobs/base.rb:297:in 'Array#each'
/var/www/discourse/app/jobs/base.rb:297:in 'Jobs::Base#perform'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:220:in 'Sidekiq::Processor#execute_job'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:185:in 'block (4 levels) in Sidekiq::Processor#process'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:180:in 'Sidekiq::Middleware::Chain#traverse'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:183:in 'block in Sidekiq::Middleware::Chain#traverse'
/var/www/discourse/lib/sidekiq/suppress_user_email_errors.rb:6:in 'Sidekiq::SuppressUserEmailErrors#call'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:182:in 'Sidekiq::Middleware::Chain#traverse'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:183:in 'block in Sidekiq::Middleware::Chain#traverse'
/var/www/discourse/lib/sidekiq/discourse_event.rb:6:in 'Sidekiq::DiscourseEvent#call'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:182:in 'Sidekiq::Middleware::Chain#traverse'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:183:in 'block in Sidekiq::Middleware::Chain#traverse'
/var/www/discourse/lib/sidekiq/pausable.rb:131:in 'Sidekiq::Pausable#call'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:182:in 'Sidekiq::Middleware::Chain#traverse'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:183:in 'block in Sidekiq::Middleware::Chain#traverse'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/job/interrupt_handler.rb:9:in 'Sidekiq::Job::InterruptHandler#call'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:182:in 'Sidekiq::Middleware::Chain#traverse'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:183:in 'block in Sidekiq::Middleware::Chain#traverse'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/metrics/tracking.rb:26:in 'Sidekiq::Metrics::ExecutionTracker#track'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/metrics/tracking.rb:134:in 'Sidekiq::Metrics::Middleware#call'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:182:in 'Sidekiq::Middleware::Chain#traverse'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:173:in 'Sidekiq::Middleware::Chain#invoke'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:184:in 'block (3 levels) in Sidekiq::Processor#process'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:145:in 'block (6 levels) in Sidekiq::Processor#dispatch'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/job_retry.rb:118:in 'Sidekiq::JobRetry#local'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:144:in 'block (5 levels) in Sidekiq::Processor#dispatch'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/config.rb:39:in 'block in <class:Config>'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:139:in 'block (4 levels) in Sidekiq::Processor#dispatch'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:281:in 'Sidekiq::Processor#stats'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:134:in 'block (3 levels) in Sidekiq::Processor#dispatch'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/job_logger.rb:15:in 'Sidekiq::JobLogger#call'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:133:in 'block (2 levels) in Sidekiq::Processor#dispatch'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/job_retry.rb:85:in 'Sidekiq::JobRetry#global'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:132:in 'block in Sidekiq::Processor#dispatch'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/job_logger.rb:40:in 'Sidekiq::JobLogger#prepare'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:131:in 'Sidekiq::Processor#dispatch'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:183:in 'block (2 levels) in Sidekiq::Processor#process'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:182:in 'Thread.handle_interrupt'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:182:in 'block in Sidekiq::Processor#process'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:181:in 'Thread.handle_interrupt'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:181:in 'Sidekiq::Processor#process'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:86:in 'Sidekiq::Processor#process_one'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:76:in 'Sidekiq::Processor#run'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/component.rb:10:in 'Sidekiq::Component#watchdog'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.4.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/component.rb:19:in 'block in Sidekiq::Component#safe_thread'

Message (4 copies reported)

DiscourseAi::Completions::Endpoints::Gemini: status: 400 - body: {
  "error": {
    "code": 400,
    "message": "Role 'function' is not supported. Please use a valid role: SYSTEM, SYSTEM_1, USER, ASSISTANT, DEVELOPER, CONTEXT, USER_CONTEXT, MODEL, USER.",
    "status": "INVALID_ARGUMENT"
  }
}


Backtrace

activesupport-8.0.5.1/lib/active_support/broadcast_logger.rb:218:in 'block in ActiveSupport::BroadcastLogger#dispatch'
activesupport-8.0.5.1/lib/active_support/broadcast_logger.rb:217:in 'Array#map'
activesupport-8.0.5.1/lib/active_support/broadcast_logger.rb:217:in 'ActiveSupport::BroadcastLogger#dispatch'
activesupport-8.0.5.1/lib/active_support/broadcast_logger.rb:129:in 'ActiveSupport::BroadcastLogger#error'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/completions/endpoints/base.rb:703:in 'Kernel#public_send'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/completions/endpoints/base.rb:703:in 'DiscourseAi::Completions::Endpoints::Base#failed_response_retry_status_and_delay'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/completions/endpoints/base.rb:339:in 'block (3 levels) in DiscourseAi::Completions::Endpoints::Base#perform_completion_request_with_retries'
net-http-0.9.1/lib/net/http.rb:2461:in 'block in Net::HTTP#transport_request'
net-http-0.9.1/lib/net/http/response.rb:321:in 'Net::HTTPResponse#reading_body'
net-http-0.9.1/lib/net/http.rb:2458:in 'Net::HTTP#transport_request'
net-http-0.9.1/lib/net/http.rb:2410:in 'Net::HTTP#request'
rack-mini-profiler-4.0.1/lib/patches/net_patches.rb:19:in 'block in Net::HTTP#request_with_mini_profiler'
rack-mini-profiler-4.0.1/lib/mini_profiler/profiling_methods.rb:51:in 'Rack::MiniProfiler::ProfilingMethods#step'
rack-mini-profiler-4.0.1/lib/patches/net_patches.rb:18:in 'Net::HTTP#request_with_mini_profiler'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/completions/endpoints/base.rb:334:in 'block (2 levels) in DiscourseAi::Completions::Endpoints::Base#perform_completion_request_with_retries'
net-http-0.9.1/lib/net/http.rb:1630:in 'Net::HTTP#start'
net-http-0.9.1/lib/net/http.rb:1064:in 'Net::HTTP.start'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/completions/endpoints/base.rb:315:in 'block in DiscourseAi::Completions::Endpoints::Base#perform_completion_request_with_retries'
<internal:kernel>:168:in 'Kernel#loop'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/completions/endpoints/base.rb:291:in 'DiscourseAi::Completions::Endpoints::Base#perform_completion_request_with_retries'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/completions/endpoints/base.rb:192:in 'DiscourseAi::Completions::Endpoints::Base#perform_completion!'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/completions/llm.rb:254:in 'DiscourseAi::Completions::Llm#generate'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/agents/bot.rb:269:in 'DiscourseAi::Agents::Bot#reply'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/app/jobs/regular/stream_discover_reply.rb:43:in 'Jobs::StreamDiscoverReply#execute'
/var/www/discourse/app/jobs/base.rb:313:in 'block (2 levels) in Jobs::Base#perform'
rails_multisite-7.0.0/lib/rails_multisite/connection_management/null_instance.rb:49:in 'RailsMultisite::ConnectionManagement::NullInstance#with_connection'
rails_multisite-7.0.0/lib/rails_multisite/connection_management.rb:17:in 'RailsMultisite::ConnectionManagement.with_connection'
/var/www/discourse/app/jobs/base.rb:300:in 'block in Jobs::Base#perform'
/var/www/discourse/app/jobs/base.rb:297:in 'Array#each'
/var/www/discourse/app/jobs/base.rb:297:in 'Jobs::Base#perform'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:220:in 'Sidekiq::Processor#execute_job'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:185:in 'block (4 levels) in Sidekiq::Processor#process'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:180:in 'Sidekiq::Middleware::Chain#traverse'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:183:in 'block in Sidekiq::Middleware::Chain#traverse'
/var/www/discourse/lib/sidekiq/suppress_user_email_errors.rb:6:in 'Sidekiq::SuppressUserEmailErrors#call'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:182:in 'Sidekiq::Middleware::Chain#traverse'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:183:in 'block in Sidekiq::Middleware::Chain#traverse'
/var/www/discourse/lib/sidekiq/discourse_event.rb:6:in 'Sidekiq::DiscourseEvent#call'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:182:in 'Sidekiq::Middleware::Chain#traverse'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:183:in 'block in Sidekiq::Middleware::Chain#traverse'
/var/www/discourse/lib/sidekiq/pausable.rb:131:in 'Sidekiq::Pausable#call'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:182:in 'Sidekiq::Middleware::Chain#traverse'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:183:in 'block in Sidekiq::Middleware::Chain#traverse'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/job/interrupt_handler.rb:9:in 'Sidekiq::Job::InterruptHandler#call'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:182:in 'Sidekiq::Middleware::Chain#traverse'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:183:in 'block in Sidekiq::Middleware::Chain#traverse'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/metrics/tracking.rb:26:in 'Sidekiq::Metrics::ExecutionTracker#track'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/metrics/tracking.rb:134:in 'Sidekiq::Metrics::Middleware#call'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:182:in 'Sidekiq::Middleware::Chain#traverse'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:173:in 'Sidekiq::Middleware::Chain#invoke'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:184:in 'block (3 levels) in Sidekiq::Processor#process'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:145:in 'block (6 levels) in Sidekiq::Processor#dispatch'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/job_retry.rb:118:in 'Sidekiq::JobRetry#local'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:144:in 'block (5 levels) in Sidekiq::Processor#dispatch'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/config.rb:39:in 'block in <class:Config>'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:139:in 'block (4 levels) in Sidekiq::Processor#dispatch'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:281:in 'Sidekiq::Processor#stats'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:134:in 'block (3 levels) in Sidekiq::Processor#dispatch'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/job_logger.rb:15:in 'Sidekiq::JobLogger#call'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:133:in 'block (2 levels) in Sidekiq::Processor#dispatch'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/job_retry.rb:85:in 'Sidekiq::JobRetry#global'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:132:in 'block in Sidekiq::Processor#dispatch'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/job_logger.rb:40:in 'Sidekiq::JobLogger#prepare'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:131:in 'Sidekiq::Processor#dispatch'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:183:in 'block (2 levels) in Sidekiq::Processor#process'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:182:in 'Thread.handle_interrupt'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:182:in 'block in Sidekiq::Processor#process'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:181:in 'Thread.handle_interrupt'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:181:in 'Sidekiq::Processor#process'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:86:in 'Sidekiq::Processor#process_one'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:76:in 'Sidekiq::Processor#run'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/component.rb:10:in 'Sidekiq::Component#watchdog'
sidekiq-7.3.10/lib/sidekiq/component.rb:19:in 'block in Sidekiq::Component#safe_thread'

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2

你能试试非遗留端点吗？

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3

是的，看起来可以正常工作。

我需要一些时间来弄清楚如何迁移到新的交互端点。在此期间，最好能确保它不会破坏现有的配置。

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此外，我注意到 latest 模型 ID 无法与新的交互端点配合使用。例如，gemini-flash-latest 和 gemini-flash-lite-latest 都无法在交互端点中使用。必须指定具体的版本号——这是一个很大的问题（对我们个人而言，这很可能成为决定性的阻碍因素），因为它会显著增加网站维护的工作量。Gemini 废弃旧版本的速度快得让我根本来不及招聘并培训新员工。在模型 ID 中使用 latest 端点为我们省去了许多麻烦。

5

这大概更适合在以下链接中讨论：Gemini API - Google AI Developers Forum

从长远来看，交互 API 将是唯一受支持的 API。

我完全理解谷歌为什么不想将 “gemini-flash” 别名为最新的 Gemini Flash。不同模型之间的价格差异巨大，2.5 Flash 比 3.7 Flash 便宜得多，而目前这两个版本都受到支持。

你需要密切关注这些动态，因为大语言模型（LLM）现在的迭代速度非常快。

值得注意的是，今年 Gemini 的更新速度实际上比 Anthropic 或 OpenAI 要慢。

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我明白你的意思，但我想强调的是，我这是从管理 Discourse 的管理人员的角度出发的。大多数管理员根本跟不上这种变化速度（所以我把这个问题报告给 Google 开发者论坛也没什么意义——那里基本上全是 AI 开发者，而不是应用管理员）。

我猜测，大多数地方部署 Discourse 之后就把它抛在脑后了，或者只提供最少的支持（就像 90% 的组织内部应用一样）。管理员的精力和预算都不足以跟上 AI 变化的节奏。我认为，如果这种“AI 发展速度过快且缺乏向后兼容性”的额外负担完全转嫁给管理员，最终 Discourse 会受到影响——为了控制开销并保持生产环境的稳定，通过 Discourse 部署 AI 的管理员将会减少。

7

不过，我听到的信息有些矛盾。

一方面你在担心预算问题，另一方面你却说“我想要谷歌最新、最强大、最昂贵的模型”？

如果你需要控制成本（金钱），那就必须锁定（pin）到某个特定模型。如果情况是“我要最好的，不在乎花多少钱”，我理解你的意思，但那样的话，当 gemini-flash-latest 的价格从 5 美元涨到 50 美元时，我们就得为此负责……到时候别人就会问：你们为什么这么做？

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将搜索成本从每月 50 美元增加到 100 美元，以便自动更新到新模型，与每年 50,000 美元的管理加培训成本相比……前者显然更胜一筹。这难道不正是 AI 的承诺吗？增量成本 = 总拥有成本（TCO）的显著改善？由于 AI 结果更准确、速度更快，搜索次数也会减少。

我目前正在部署 OpenClaw 智能体来替代新员工，因为对我来说，使用 Claude / ChatGPT / Gemini 的组合比招聘和培训新员工更便宜——而且我可以零等待时间、零培训/入职成本地“雇佣”一个新智能体，因为我可以直接复制它。

我的想法是保持低开销，并将停机时间降至接近零。如果我不得不每隔几周/几个月就在 Discourse 上监控设置和配置，那么升级 Discourse 就不值得了（至少在我能为自己拥有一个 AI 智能体来执行此操作之前是这样，而且这又变成了一个成本效益分析：智能体监控设置并保持其最新状态需要消耗多少 token——仅仅是为了升级 Discourse）。

这关乎的不是最新最酷的技术，而仅仅是保持低 TCO（一种权衡）。替代方案就是不要升级 Discourse。

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这已经不再是一个可行的替代方案了。运行旧版本且未打补丁的 Discourse 极具危险性，请务必始终使用受支持的版本通道。任何自行托管 Discourse 的用户都不应将升级视为“一年一次”的任务，至少每月都需要升级一次 Discourse。

我们高度重视安全性。审查我们每一行代码的“眼睛”数量呈指数级增长，每隔几天就会发现新的边缘情况。

当然，如果您选择由我们托管，则无需为此担忧。我们会定期升级托管的大语言模型（LLM），并直接为您提供令牌（tokens），因此您无需操心这类事务。

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有趣的是，几年前我和微软也有过类似的对话，当时他们正在弃用一些 API，转而采用新的 API，而我提出了同样的观点——保持向后兼容性。

他们最终也同意了，并且确实做到了——维持兼容性（而无需支持或回移新功能）并让系统继续运行，比完全不使用这些 API 要容易得多。

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