# Does the advanced user tutorial still exist?
**URL:** https://meta.discourse.org/t/does-the-advanced-user-tutorial-still-exist/123661
**Category:** Support
**Created:** [July 22, 2019, 5:48pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/does-the-advanced-user-tutorial-still-exist/123661 "2019-07-22T17:48:49Z")
**Posts on this page:** 16
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### Author:  [@nedbat](https://meta.discourse.org/u/nedbat)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2019, 5:48pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/does-the-advanced-user-tutorial-still-exist/123661/1 "2019-07-22T17:48:49Z")
I see there’s a badge called Licensed, described as “Completed our advanced user tutorial.” [Topics here](https://meta.discourse.org/t/rename-discobots-start-new-user-command/116703/6) suggest the advanced tutorial can be started by typing “@discobot start advanced user”, but on my hosted instance, it’s not understood.
What am I missing?
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### Author:  [@discobot](https://meta.discourse.org/u/discobot)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2019, 5:48pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/does-the-advanced-user-tutorial-still-exist/123661/2 "2019-07-22T17:48:51Z")
Hi! To find out what I can do, say `@discobot display help`.
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### Author:  [@simon](https://meta.discourse.org/u/simon)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2019, 6:41pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/does-the-advanced-user-tutorial-still-exist/123661/3 "2019-07-22T18:41:32Z")
> [@nedbat](#):
>
> [Topics here](https://meta.discourse.org/t/rename-discobots-start-new-user-command/116703/6) suggest the advanced tutorial can be started by typing “@discobot start advanced user”, but on my hosted instance, it’s not understood.
The command to start the advanced discobot tutorial is:
```plaintext
@discobot start advanced tutorial
```
Maybe details about starting the advanced tutorial should be included in the post that is created when a user posts `@discobot display help` ?
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### Author:  [@nedbat](https://meta.discourse.org/u/nedbat)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2019, 7:47pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/does-the-advanced-user-tutorial-still-exist/123661/4 "2019-07-22T19:47:22Z")
Thanks, that works! Yes, it seems entirely reasonable to me for “display help” to show this. Now that I know the incantation, I can see how the current help message is trying to tell me what to say, but it is far from obvious.
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### Author:  [@codinghorror](https://meta.discourse.org/u/codinghorror)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2019, 12:34am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/does-the-advanced-user-tutorial-still-exist/123661/5 "2019-07-23T00:34:33Z")
Doesn’t it?
@discobot display help
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### Author:  [@discobot](https://meta.discourse.org/u/discobot)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2019, 12:34am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/does-the-advanced-user-tutorial-still-exist/123661/6 "2019-07-23T00:34:37Z")
I currently know how to do the following things:
`@discobot start tutorial`
> Starts one of the following interactive tutorials: tutorial, advanced tutorial.
`@discobot roll 2d6`
> 🎲 3, 6
`@discobot quote`
> 🗨 _Carry out a random act of kindness, with no expectation of reward, safe in the knowledge that one day someone might do the same for you_ — Princess Diana
`@discobot fortune`
> 🔮 You may rely on it
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### Author:  [@codinghorror](https://meta.discourse.org/u/codinghorror)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2019, 12:35am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/does-the-advanced-user-tutorial-still-exist/123661/7 "2019-07-23T00:35:00Z")
Looks correct to me ↑ ↑ @nedbat
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### Author:  [@nedbat](https://meta.discourse.org/u/nedbat)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2019, 1:47am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/does-the-advanced-user-tutorial-still-exist/123661/8 "2019-07-23T01:47:11Z")
If I could suggest an edit:
> [@discobot](#):
>
> I currently know how to do the following things:
>
> `@discobot start tutorial`
> `@discobot start advanced tutorial`
>
> > Starts one of the interactive tutorials.
It was not clear to me that the “tutorial, advanced tutorial” part was meant to be used as part of the command.
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### Author:  [@justin.noom](https://meta.discourse.org/u/justin.noom)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2019, 1:55am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/does-the-advanced-user-tutorial-still-exist/123661/9 "2019-07-23T01:55:45Z")
> [@nedbat](#):
>
> It was not clear to me that the “tutorial, advanced tutorial” part was meant to be used as part of the command.
Ditto! My moderators have raised the same concerns.
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### Author:  [@codinghorror](https://meta.discourse.org/u/codinghorror)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2019, 2:23am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/does-the-advanced-user-tutorial-still-exist/123661/10 "2019-07-23T02:23:12Z")
I mean .. _maybe?_ Do we really need multiple examples, e.g. does someone read
`@discobot roll 2d6`
and really _need_ to see
`@discobot roll 12d20`
`@discobot roll 1d10`
to understand that the numbers can be substituted as needed? 🤔
Although it is fair to note that only the tutorial expects different words, e.g.
`@discobot start {name-of-tutorial}`
where `{name-of-tutorial}` can be either `tutorial` or `advanced tutorial`.
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### Author:  [@riking](https://meta.discourse.org/u/riking)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2019, 4:49am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/does-the-advanced-user-tutorial-still-exist/123661/11 "2019-07-23T04:49:49Z")
When there’s only two possibilities, instead of _every natural number_, it makes sense to just spell it out.
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### Author:  [@nedbat](https://meta.discourse.org/u/nedbat)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2019, 10:09am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/does-the-advanced-user-tutorial-still-exist/123661/12 "2019-07-23T10:09:10Z")
Your idea works for me too.
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### Author:  [@codinghorror](https://meta.discourse.org/u/codinghorror)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2019, 7:01am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/does-the-advanced-user-tutorial-still-exist/123661/13 "2019-07-25T07:01:24Z")
The copy can’t be easily edited; it’s programmatic
```
`@%{discobot_username} %{reset_trigger} %{default_track}`
> Starts one of the following interactive tutorials: %{tracks}.
```
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### Author:  [@nedbat](https://meta.discourse.org/u/nedbat)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2019, 10:14am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/does-the-advanced-user-tutorial-still-exist/123661/14 "2019-07-25T10:14:10Z")
I don’t mean to fixate on this too much, but: you could easily edit this text if you decide that helping users find the two current tutorials is more important than YAGNI coding for a future possibility of a third tutorial.
Or, move the construction of the bot commands into the Ruby code. The text won’t change from locale to locale.
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### Author:  [@nedbat](https://meta.discourse.org/u/nedbat)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2019, 3:01pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/does-the-advanced-user-tutorial-still-exist/123661/15 "2019-07-25T15:01:54Z")
Or, change it to your suggestion:
```plaintext
`@%{discobot_username} %{reset_trigger} {name-of-tutorial}`
> Starts an interactive tutorial. `{name-of-tutorial}` can be one of: `%{tracks}`.
```
(pull request: [Clarify how to start a tutorial by nedbat · Pull Request #7944 · discourse/discourse · GitHub](https://github.com/discourse/discourse/pull/7944))
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### Author:  [@system](https://meta.discourse.org/u/system)
#### Post date: [January 23, 2023, 11:19am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/does-the-advanced-user-tutorial-still-exist/123661/16 "2023-01-23T11:19:38Z")