לאלץ משתמשים לבחור קטגוריה

[alltiagocom (Tiago)]

למעשה טעיתי… יש לי כמה תבניות, אבל אלו עבור קטגוריות ספציפיות, לא עבור ‘ללא קטגוריה’ (ראיתי זאת דרך הקישור ששותף על ידי @Moin).

אבל עכשיו שמתי לב למשהו, שמבטל את כל מה שעשיתי עד כה:
אם אני בדף הבית ולוחץ על נושא חדש (NEW TOPIC), אני יכול לראות את האפשרות לבחור קטגוריה, אבל אם אני בתוך קטגוריה, הרשימה הנפתחת מאוכלסת אוטומטית עם אותה קטגוריה, וזה משהו שרציתי להימנע ממנו. האם זה בכלל אפשרי, להשיג זאת ללא קשר למקום שבו המשתמש נמצא?

רק בגלל שמישהו נמצא בקטגוריית “כללי” (General), למשל, זה לא אומר שנושא חדש מיועד להיות באותה קטגוריה, אבל אם המשתמש לא רואה זאת, הוא עלול ליצור נושא בקטגוריה הלא נכונה.

[JammyDodger]

@alltiagocom

I was actually wrong… I do have some templates, but those are for specific categories, not Uncategorized

Ah, yes. A topic template on any category will switch the composer behaviour. I was asking about Uncategorised in particular just in case there was an overlooked bug/ux issue (thankfully that doesn’t appear to be the case )

For your topic creation flow itself, I think I would initially trust users to make the right choices and then maybe adapt things if you notice a significant problem crop up.

[alltiagocom (Tiago)]

@JammyDodger

A topic template on any category will switch the composer behaviour

So let me see if I understand it: are you saying that by having a template associated with at least one category, when the default is “no category” (in this case it seems to be when I’m not inside any particular category), is locks the composer?

@JammyDodger

I would initially trust users to make the right choices

This is actually more related to them not noticing that the category is wrong, more than an actual “wrong decision”. It can be overlooked. For example, sometimes in the Keyboard Maestro forum, I add the title and the message and hit Submit to then see the alert to pick a category. It’s just that instinct that the most important things are the Title and the Message. I guess my brain just assumes that my message is being sent to the “Help” category.

So, if it happens to me, I can see how that can happen to others as well, so always forcing them to pick a category, would be safer.

But would this even be possible to bypass that behavior where it picks the current category automatically?

[JammyDodger]

@alltiagocom

So let me see if I understand it: are you saying that by having a template associated with at least one category, when the default is “no category” (in this case it seems to be when I’m not inside any particular category), is locks the composer?

Yup

@JammyDodger

That’s what I would expect if you have a topic template set up on one of your categories. Without any set it should allow you to enter the composer text area before setting a category. It blocks it when using topic templates so people don’t accidentally bypass that template by typing in the composer first and then selecting a category.

@alltiagocom

But would this even be possible to bypass that behavior where it picks the current category automatically?

It may be possible with a little custom work. It’s not my forte though, but if you create a Dev topic about it you may get some assistance?

[alltiagocom (Tiago)]

Good to know that this is not a bug, then.
In that case, I’m happy with the script I have, at least for the “no category” option.

@JammyDodger

if you create a Dev topic about it you may get some assistance

Thank you for the tip. I will keep that in mind. For now, I’m just trying to work on things that are truly relevant. This is just a minor detail and probably will require more work than expected and since I’m still building it (no users yet), it’s not a priority.

Appreciate your time and help!

[JammyDodger]

No worries

One thing you may want to double check is creating a new topic, adding some text to the composer without picking a category, and then picking the category with the topic template.

I’m hoping it will simply not show you the topic template, but I also had a doubt about whether the topic template would overwrite the existing user added text instead. Hopefully a nothing-burger.

[alltiagocom (Tiago)]

Great tip. I just tried it and it doesn’t show the template. That’s good.

So what I did:

1. NEW TOPIC in the homepage (the composer shows Category...)
2. Typed a message This is my message
3. Changed the category to a category I have with a template (Cat A)
4. This is my message was kept.
5. Deleted that text
6. Picked another category (Cat B)
7. Went back to the category with the template (Cat A), this time the template shows.

All good here!
Thanks again!