# Forum Not Working on old versions of Safari
**URL:** https://meta.discourse.org/t/forum-not-working-on-old-versions-of-safari/132941
**Category:** Support
**Created:** [November 8, 2019, 4:14pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/forum-not-working-on-old-versions-of-safari/132941 "2019-11-08T16:14:51Z")
**Posts on this page:** 15
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### Author:  [@whitspen](https://meta.discourse.org/u/whitspen)
#### Post date: [November 8, 2019, 4:14pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/forum-not-working-on-old-versions-of-safari/132941/1 "2019-11-08T16:14:51Z")
Thanks to amazing folks in this community I’m finally in bootstrap mode of my new forum. It’s working fine on Chrome but..
Why cannot I not access my forum on Safari? I saw a lot of questions regarding use on mobile but none about desktop.
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### Author:  [@Stephen](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Stephen)
#### Post date: [November 8, 2019, 4:35pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/forum-not-working-on-old-versions-of-safari/132941/2 "2019-11-08T16:35:12Z")
Which version of Safari? Discourse is supported on Safari and I use it under Mac OS daily.
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### Author:  [@whitspen](https://meta.discourse.org/u/whitspen)
#### Post date: [November 8, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/forum-not-working-on-old-versions-of-safari/132941/3 "2019-11-08T19:16:54Z")
Version 13.0.3
[https://forum.irresistible.org](https://forum.irresistible.org)
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### Author:  [@awesomerobot](https://meta.discourse.org/u/awesomerobot)
#### Post date: [November 8, 2019, 7:20pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/forum-not-working-on-old-versions-of-safari/132941/4 "2019-11-08T19:20:24Z")
The forum loads for me on Safari 13.0.3 (though it’s log-in required so I can’t see much else). Are you seeing any errors? a blank page?
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### Author:  [@pmusaraj](https://meta.discourse.org/u/pmusaraj)
#### Post date: [November 8, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/forum-not-working-on-old-versions-of-safari/132941/5 "2019-11-08T19:54:43Z")
Hmm, weird. I can’t open the forum in Safari or Firefox (on macOS), but it does open correctly in Chrome. Either way, this looks like an issue with that site’s configuration, not Discourse per se.
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### Author:  [@Bruce\_Nevin](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Bruce_Nevin)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2022, 8:49pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/forum-not-working-on-old-versions-of-safari/132941/6 "2022-08-22T20:49:15Z")
Was it a local site config issue, and if so what was the fix? A user of El Capitan is having this same issue now (can’t open [discourse.iapct.org](http://discourse.iapct.org) with Firefox or Safari).
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### Author:  [@hiddenseal](https://meta.discourse.org/u/hiddenseal)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2022, 9:11pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/forum-not-working-on-old-versions-of-safari/132941/7 "2022-08-22T21:11:20Z")
I’ve just opened your site on macOS Safari 15.6
What exactly does your user experience? Site not loading at all, missing styles, or …?
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### Author:  [@Bruce\_Nevin](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Bruce_Nevin)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2022, 9:32pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/forum-not-working-on-old-versions-of-safari/132941/8 "2022-08-22T21:32:15Z")
Apparently the big Nada. But he reports that Vivaldi is currently working for him.
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### Author:  [@Stephen](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Stephen)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2022, 9:17am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/forum-not-working-on-old-versions-of-safari/132941/9 "2022-08-23T09:17:08Z")
Can you confirm which version of Safari they’re running? It’s more important than their version of macOS in determining compatibility.
El Capitan (10.11) is seven years old now and stopped receiving updates four years ago. Discourse requires Safari 12.5, and as far as I’m aware the minimum requirements for Safari 12 is Sierra (10.12).
That said, it should fail reasonably gracefully, can we get more info on what they’re experiencing?
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### Author:  [@Bruce\_Nevin](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Bruce_Nevin)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2022, 12:08pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/forum-not-working-on-old-versions-of-safari/132941/10 "2022-08-23T12:08:54Z")
I am asking him what version of Safari he tried and how it failed.
> I tried to use the discourse site today, and was told that my browser is
> suddenly unsupported. I don’t remember any general announcement to the
> effect that Firefox had to be upgraded to some new level inaccessible to
> me, trying to stick to the El Capitan operating system. Now I am unsure
> what to do, being prohibited from posting or really seeing the forum
> properly, and using the most upgraded Firefox available to me.
The next day
> the most up to date version of Firefox available on El Capitan was dropped without
> any notice that it was about to happen or that it had happened. With some notice,
> I might have prepared for it, and not been shocked when I tried to follow a thread
> and found I was not allowed to.
Then yesterday 8/22
> Safari doesn’t work either.
and
> What I saw was the list of categories and topics, but as a simple list without decoration.
> I could not log in or access anything by clicking on it.
>
> I gather that Vivaldi is, like Firefox, a communally maintained browser, so it probably
> has its own flaws. But if it works for the discourse site as recently amended. I can use
> it by copying the links in the “read more” in the email notification. Not as convenient as
> being able to click on the links, but I don’t think I want to move from Firefox to Vivaldi
> as my default browser, at least not yet, if ever.
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### Author:  [@Bruce\_Nevin](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Bruce_Nevin)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2022, 1:27pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/forum-not-working-on-old-versions-of-safari/132941/13 "2022-08-23T13:27:35Z")
Martin’s reply: Safari Version 11.1.2 (11605.3.8.1)
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### Author:  [@Falco](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Falco)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2022, 1:28pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/forum-not-working-on-old-versions-of-safari/132941/14 "2022-08-23T13:28:38Z")
> [@Bruce\_Nevin](#):
>
> What I saw was the list of categories and topics, but as a simple list without decoration.
> I could not log in or access anything by clicking on it.
So the user in the unsupported browser is getting our basic HTML view, that is what should be happening, so that’s good.
Looks like even Google dropped support for that old version of Mac OS
> **[It's the end of the line for Google Chrome on 10.11 El Capitan and 10.12 Sierra](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/its-the-end-of-the-line-for-google-chrome-on-10-11-el-capitan-and-10-12-sierra.2346105/)**
>
> I was reading the Chrome release notes and noticed that Chrome 104 will no longer support El Capitan or Sierra. Details:
>
> https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/7679408#oldVersOSx
>
> I tested a Sierra machine and if you have a machine running...
So this user can use Chrome/Vivaldi for some time but since every browser vendor abandoned their OS it’s a matter of time before we also do so.
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### Author:  [@Stephen](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Stephen)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2022, 2:54pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/forum-not-working-on-old-versions-of-safari/132941/15 "2022-08-23T14:54:24Z")
I guess in summary it’s not really a Discourse issue at all, with major software vendors abandoning that OS release downstream compatibility issues become inevitable.
I’m not sure what the user expects here, but as Falco pointed out above Chrome gives them a temporary solution while they figure out next steps.
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### Author:  [@Bruce\_Nevin](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Bruce_Nevin)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2022, 3:39pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/forum-not-working-on-old-versions-of-safari/132941/16 "2022-08-23T15:39:31Z")
The experience of suddenness without notice was the first rub, the violation of what Jared Spool called ‘the principle of least astonishment’.
As Martin said, his fundamental issue is with Apple for reneging on Steve Jobs’ (unenforceable) promise of eternal life.
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### Author:  [@Stephen](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Stephen)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2022, 3:49pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/forum-not-working-on-old-versions-of-safari/132941/17 "2022-08-23T15:49:19Z")
I’m curious how old the hardware running El Capitan is.
Sierra works on iMacs and MacBooks going as far back as 2009.
With that in mind I don’t think it’s fair to call this sudden. Either the user _can_ upgrade to a newer OS release and has chosen not to, or they’re apparently perplexed that their computer from 2007/2008 doesn’t run software some ~15 years later.
Again though, I don’t think this is really fair to raise as a Discourse issue. As the [requirements](https://www.discourse.org/about) lay out:
> Discourse is designed for the next 10 years of the Internet, so the minimum browser requirements are high.
> Discourse supports the **latest, stable releases** of all major browsers and platforms.
Bear in mind that Discourse itself didn’t launch til 2014, by which time the hardware in question could have already been as much as 6/7 years old.