# "Group Owner" Permissions
**URL:** https://meta.discourse.org/t/group-owner-permissions/73212
**Category:** Feature
**Created:** [11월 1, 2017, 1:39오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/group-owner-permissions/73212 "2017-11-01T13:39:10Z")
**Posts on this page:** 12
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### Author:  [@outofthebox](https://meta.discourse.org/u/outofthebox)
#### Post date: [11월 1, 2017, 1:39오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/group-owner-permissions/73212/1 "2017-11-01T13:39:10Z")
Hi, currently in the group settings, these are the options:
I would like to recommend that another option be added: “Only Group Owners”.
There are many potential use cases for this.
In our community, we have some staff-led groups for VIPs. We do _not_ want our VIPs to message or mention the entire group. But we _do_ want our staff to be able to do so. Our staff want the confidence that Discourse can perform as well as email in terms of ensuring that a message goes out to all the VIPs. At the same time, we don’t know that our VIPs will have the self-restraint to not use this feature.
The other benefit? If only group owners can mention or message a group, then this creates more accountability and control over the function. In that case, it would be acceptable to remove the restriction on how many people can be @mentioned or messaged by a group owner. The default should be that they can @mention or message _everyone_ in their group. This allows a Discourse site owner to spread ownership of the community out to many other group leaders. These group owners _don’t_ need to be moderators or site admins, they just need the ability to run their specific group well.
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### Author:  [@pfaffman](https://meta.discourse.org/u/pfaffman)
#### Post date: [11월 1, 2017, 2:13오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/group-owner-permissions/73212/2 "2017-11-01T14:13:53Z")
You trust your staff to be able to own groups but not be moderators?
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### Author:  [@outofthebox](https://meta.discourse.org/u/outofthebox)
#### Post date: [11월 1, 2017, 2:19오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/group-owner-permissions/73212/3 "2017-11-01T14:19:22Z")
Correct. Moderators have access to nearly all the admin settings. We are a large global organization with a wide variety of skill sets, etc. I want to give our staff ownership of the groups relevant to their area of responsibility without empowering them across our entire site. I think they also want that focus.
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### Author:  [@mcwumbly](https://meta.discourse.org/u/mcwumbly)
#### Post date: [11월 1, 2017, 2:57오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/group-owner-permissions/73212/4 "2017-11-01T14:57:41Z")
I can definitely see this being useful.
I have thought of a similar feature which would be:
- Only members of these groups:
That would be a bit more flexible, for better or worse, but would be more similar to how category permissions are managed.
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### Author:  [@pfaffman](https://meta.discourse.org/u/pfaffman)
#### Post date: [11월 1, 2017, 4:37오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/group-owner-permissions/73212/5 "2017-11-01T16:37:45Z")
Aha. It wasn’t the argument that owners should be able to mention/message groups that I didn’t understand but that the moderator powers are too much for your group owners.
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### Author:  [@codinghorror](https://meta.discourse.org/u/codinghorror)
#### Post date: [11월 2, 2017, 1:42오전 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/group-owner-permissions/73212/6 "2017-11-02T01:42:52Z")
> [@outofthebox](#):
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> Moderators have access to nearly all the admin settings
This is untrue, moderators have zero access to site settings.
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### Author:  [@outofthebox](https://meta.discourse.org/u/outofthebox)
#### Post date: [11월 2, 2017, 12:33오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/group-owner-permissions/73212/7 "2017-11-02T12:33:08Z")
Hi @codinghorror, thank you for the clarification.
To be more precise, most of my group owners don’t need or want these powers:
> Power user capable of moderating the site:
> Can process flags
> Can delete topics and posts, split topics, merge topics, hide topics and so on.
> Can view user info including email address
For our staff who just want to run a group of their VIP users, seeing flags across the site would be an unwelcome distraction. Giving them access to any user’s email address might not be appropriate. For some of the junior staff who are group owners because we want them to have responsibilities for processing group membership requests (an administrative function), I might not want them to be able to delete topics and posts on the site.
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### Author:  [@FoohonPie](https://meta.discourse.org/u/FoohonPie)
#### Post date: [8월 21, 2018, 10:40오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/group-owner-permissions/73212/8 "2018-08-21T22:40:17Z")
I have a similar use case here: I run a games directory where different game owners (and their staff) can manage a group for their respective communities which include members on my site who also play their game. These are staff for _other_ communities, but not staff for my own.
It would be useful to empower these owners with the ability to message all of their players and fans within my community, but we don’t want every single group member to also have this power.
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### Author:  [@sam](https://meta.discourse.org/u/sam)
#### Post date: [8월 21, 2018, 10:47오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/group-owner-permissions/73212/9 "2018-08-21T22:47:22Z")
> [@FoohonPie](#):
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> It would be useful to empower these owners with the ability to message all of their players and fans within my community,
Sure, I do support adding one more option to here:
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### Author:  [@outofthebox](https://meta.discourse.org/u/outofthebox)
#### Post date: [8월 22, 2018, 1:03오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/group-owner-permissions/73212/10 "2018-08-22T13:03:34Z")
Thanks Sam! That would make it easier to push out ownership for various niche communities within our overall Discourse instance.
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### Author:  [@markvanlan](https://meta.discourse.org/u/markvanlan)
#### Post date: [6월 17, 2021, 4:00오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/group-owner-permissions/73212/11 "2021-06-17T16:00:46Z")
방금 확인했는데, 이 항목이 추가되었습니다.
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### Author:  [@markvanlan](https://meta.discourse.org/u/markvanlan)
#### Post date: [6월 17, 2021, 4:00오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/group-owner-permissions/73212/12 "2021-06-17T16:00:49Z")