# How do you deal with off-site harassment?
**URL:** https://meta.discourse.org/t/how-do-you-deal-with-off-site-harassment/167048
**Category:** Community Building
**Created:** [October 13, 2020, 3:55am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/how-do-you-deal-with-off-site-harassment/167048 "2020-10-13T03:55:08Z")
**Posts on this page:** 5
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### Author:  [@JimPas](https://meta.discourse.org/u/JimPas)
#### Post date: [October 17, 2020, 9:40pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/how-do-you-deal-with-off-site-harassment/167048/22 "2020-10-17T21:40:11Z")
Oh, but they do!
[https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdva/pr/texas-man-sentenced-cyberstalking-making-interstate-threats](https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdva/pr/texas-man-sentenced-cyberstalking-making-interstate-threats)
[https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdfl/pr/man-charged-miami-federal-court-making-online-threats-injure-and-kill-young-woman](https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdfl/pr/man-charged-miami-federal-court-making-online-threats-injure-and-kill-young-woman)
[https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdva/pr/florida-man-pleads-guilty-cyberstalking](https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdva/pr/florida-man-pleads-guilty-cyberstalking)
[https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/cleveland/news/press-releases/officials-announce-the-arrest-of-thomas-g-bares-for-threatening-communications?utm\_campaign=email-Immediate&utm\_medium=email&utm\_source=cleveland&utm\_content=[907256]-%2Fcontact-us%2Ffield-offices%2Fcleveland%2Fnews%2Fpress-releases%2Fofficials-announce-the-arrest-of-thomas-g-bares-for-threatening-communications](https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/cleveland/news/press-releases/officials-announce-the-arrest-of-thomas-g-bares-for-threatening-communications?utm_campaign=email-Immediate&utm_medium=email&utm_source=cleveland&utm_content=%5B907256%5D-%2Fcontact-us%2Ffield-offices%2Fcleveland%2Fnews%2Fpress-releases%2Fofficials-announce-the-arrest-of-thomas-g-bares-for-threatening-communications)
And the list goes on and on, including those for instigating hate crimes on the Internet. Threatening communications, whether by telephone, mail or the Internet is not taken lightly. I do have a lot of these links as I receive email updates constantly from the FBI and the Justice Department. (I hate those with up 60 in one email. 🙄) Authorities would rather “nip it in the bud” before someone gets physically injured or worse.
Edit: This last case I’ll post will show what the consequences can be.
> **[Â ](https://www.justice.gov/usao-nj/pr/bergen-county-man-admits-using-online-web-forums-engage-cyberstalking)**
NEWARK, N.J. – A Bergen County, New Jersey, man today admitted using Facebook and other online web forums to cyberstalk victims, U.S. Attorney Craig Carpenito announced.
Diamante admitted that from January 2016 through August 2019 he engaged in continued online harassment of known and unknown adult victims, including Victims 1-23, …
The charge to which Diamante pleaded guilty carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison and a $250,000 fine. Sentencing is scheduled for Dec. 16, 2020.
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### Author:  [@Dan\_Eastwood](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Dan_Eastwood)
#### Post date: [October 26, 2020, 3:58pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/how-do-you-deal-with-off-site-harassment/167048/23 "2020-10-26T15:58:25Z")
Forum X is well justified in restricting members who use forum content inappropriately elsewhere.
Back when I was an Owner/Mod for a very active Community on G+, it was our policy not to condone trolling/mocking behavior on ANY forum, including inciting others to do so (“calling out”). Responsible Community owners were happy to reciprocate. For the irresponsible owners (there were organized trolling groups) we were often able to get those groups shut down by reporting them for violating Term of Service. This could be a game of Whack-a-Mole as new groups formed - Google has quietly giving up on G+ so support was not as strong as it should have been.
If the forum Y owner won’t support you, contact their provider and report these activities. Provide screenshots, URLs, dates and time, and accounts to back up your complaint. **Be sure to quote specific wording from that providers Terms of Service.**
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### Author:  [@JimPas](https://meta.discourse.org/u/JimPas)
#### Post date: [October 26, 2020, 9:56pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/how-do-you-deal-with-off-site-harassment/167048/25 "2020-10-26T21:56:56Z")
@dfabulich
Here’s an interesting but old topic from CodingHorror (2014) that hits on this problem. You can disregard the description about people signing up through Tor, but the main discussion is about hate speech and “this is our house and our rules.” You _don’t_ have to host their hate speech.
> **[Your Community Door](https://blog.codinghorror.com/your-community-door/)**
>
> What are the real world consequences to signing up for a Twitter or Facebook account through Tor and spewing hate toward other human beings?
>
> Facebook reviewed the comment I reported and found it doesn’t violate their Community Standards. – Rob...
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### Author:  [@codinghorror](https://meta.discourse.org/u/codinghorror)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2021, 2:52am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/how-do-you-deal-with-off-site-harassment/167048/31 "2021-02-22T02:52:48Z")
If there is enough credible evidence that users are engaging in off-site harassment, that should result in consequences for those users on the platform you _do_ control.
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### Author:  [@dfabulich](https://meta.discourse.org/u/dfabulich)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2021, 9:12am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/how-do-you-deal-with-off-site-harassment/167048/32 "2021-02-22T09:12:20Z")
FYI, an update on how this story is turning out. “Forum X” did wind up adopting an off-site harassment policy, and used it to ban “Bob” and “Dave.”
In response, Bob and Dave’s “Forum Y” started up a series of threads declaring “War on [Forum X],” and have begun using various techniques to make life miserable for Forum X. They’re still screenshotting Forum X, of course, and they’ve cranked the harassment up a notch or two.
It’s… quite hard to say that justice has won out thus far. Maybe Forum Y will get bored of it? (Sometime next year, maybe?)
I might post another update when it seems like things have settled down into a steady state.
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