# How to show topic-map on non-commented posts?

**URL:** https://meta.discourse.org/t/how-to-show-topic-map-on-non-commented-posts/204222
**Category:** UX
**Tags:** topic-map
**Created:** [September 22, 2021, 5:20pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/how-to-show-topic-map-on-non-commented-posts/204222 "2021-09-22T17:20:39Z")
**Posts on this page:** 11
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### Author: ![Bathinda](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/meta/user_avatar/meta.discourse.org/bathinda/32/135888_2.png) [@Bathinda](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Bathinda)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2024, 6:58am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/how-to-show-topic-map-on-non-commented-posts/204222/23 "2024-08-14T06:58:49Z")

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Yeah, I now remember that I had disabled this component after toggling on that setting.  
Now that setting is also on and this component also on. But it isn’t working in either case (even when I had removed the component).

 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/meta/original/4X/0/b/a/0ba5e9a3c341026c34ac21dfc2aaa7cf6e3430b7.png)

Is there any requirement of some replies, before it appears?

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### Author: ![Moin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/meta/user_avatar/meta.discourse.org/moin/32/554653_2.png) [@Moin](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Moin)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2024, 7:02am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/how-to-show-topic-map-on-non-commented-posts/204222/24 "2024-08-14T07:02:16Z")

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> [@Bathinda](#):
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> But it isn’t working in either case (even when I had removed the component).

Seems to work well.

 ![Screenshot_20240814_090119_Chrome](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/meta/original/4X/1/4/3/143ea423e5c924b73f5079b920ad01c0c08da86b.jpeg)

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### Author: ![Bathinda](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/meta/user_avatar/meta.discourse.org/bathinda/32/135888_2.png) [@Bathinda](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Bathinda)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2024, 7:03am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/how-to-show-topic-map-on-non-commented-posts/204222/25 "2024-08-14T07:03:13Z")

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But this is only ‘View Count’. And this view count is appearing because of the Theme Component.

Whereas, I wished ‘Full Topic Map’, because I thought that option meant ‘Topic Map’.  
 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/meta/original/4X/a/8/4/a84575f94c3a626cdc8b27e9644c9694c19bb1ac.png)

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### Author: ![Moin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/meta/user_avatar/meta.discourse.org/moin/32/554653_2.png) [@Moin](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Moin)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2024, 7:05am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/how-to-show-topic-map-on-non-commented-posts/204222/26 "2024-08-14T07:05:22Z")

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Low counts are hidden

> [@Feedback on our simplified topic map experiment](https://meta.discourse.org/t/feedback-on-our-simplified-topic-map-experiment/307584/47):
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> hide low counts:
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> - Hide low read estimates (under 3 minutes)
> - Hide participant count if 5 or less
> - Show participant avatars if there are more than 10 posts
> - Hide like count when there are fewer than 5 likes or fewer than 10 posts

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### Author: ![Bathinda](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/meta/user_avatar/meta.discourse.org/bathinda/32/135888_2.png) [@Bathinda](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Bathinda)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2024, 7:06am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/how-to-show-topic-map-on-non-commented-posts/204222/27 "2024-08-14T07:06:50Z")

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Oh!! Oh!!

Thanks.

(Discourse has got some indicators at diff places for such settings and their effects. But I failed to find this explanation anywhere. Hope this topic will cover people like me).

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### Author: ![sam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/meta/user_avatar/meta.discourse.org/sam/32/102149_2.png) [@sam](https://meta.discourse.org/u/sam)
#### Post date: [August 15, 2024, 3:43am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/how-to-show-topic-map-on-non-commented-posts/204222/28 "2024-08-15T03:43:29Z")

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I am strongly in support of unconditionally showing topic map, even on topics with zero replies @lindsey / @zogstrip

At least when you have a documentation topic you will be able to see how many people viewed it and be able to summarize it.

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### Author: ![lindsey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/meta/user_avatar/meta.discourse.org/lindsey/32/318210_2.png) [@lindsey](https://meta.discourse.org/u/lindsey)
#### Post date: [August 16, 2024, 1:38pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/how-to-show-topic-map-on-non-commented-posts/204222/29 "2024-08-16T13:38:35Z")

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When I test this, if I have `show topic map in topics without replies` enabled, I see the topic map even for brand new topics:

 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/meta/original/4X/3/c/7/3c7f7c96451dd77dd3386aab9f67b684ecab2958.png)

The AI-powered Summarize button seems to appear for any topic on Meta with at least one reply (note that we have `show topic map in topics without replies` disabled here, so I’m guessing we’d see it for topics without replies if we enabled that setting).

So we could enable that setting by default, but I don’t know how we can show summaries all the time for sites that don’t have AI summaries enabled (like my test site).

The non-AI “Summarize This Topic” feature has some default minimums:

- `summary posts required`, defaults to `50`
- `summary likes required`, defaults to `1`

Maybe those defaults are too high? But [based on how that feature works](https://meta.discourse.org/t/feedback-improved-topic-summary-mode/11376), I don’t think it really makes sense to show it all the time.

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### Author: ![sam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/meta/user_avatar/meta.discourse.org/sam/32/102149_2.png) [@sam](https://meta.discourse.org/u/sam)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2024, 12:22am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/how-to-show-topic-map-on-non-commented-posts/204222/30 "2024-08-20T00:22:45Z")

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> [@lindsey](#):
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> Maybe those defaults are too high? But [based on how that feature works](https://meta.discourse.org/t/feedback-improved-topic-summary-mode/11376), I don’t think it really makes sense to show it all the time.

I think the defaults of “best posts in topic” are fine (it has a very odd name now cause it clashes with AI summary @martin/@tobiaseigen )

However what I am advocating for is changing `show_topic_map_in_topics_without_replies` to `true` (it is default false now)

The argument here is:

1. It **unlocks** the ability to have ai summary on single topic posts
2. It shows `views` which is something many site admins want on 0 reply posts.
3. It is not visually bulky now
4. If it is default we are much more likely to improve design issues, I think we probably want to remove one line for single post topics @chapoi (it is enabled here now)

Curious what you think about this @awesomerobot as well?

On the AI side @Saif/@Falco I do think it may make sense to have a safeguard where we only show “summary” on topics with more than N words.

The topic table already has `word_count` so maybe you need more than 100 words to show the summarize button by default.

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### Author: ![chapoi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/meta/user_avatar/meta.discourse.org/chapoi/32/537252_2.png) [@chapoi](https://meta.discourse.org/u/chapoi)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2024, 1:03pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/how-to-show-topic-map-on-non-commented-posts/204222/31 "2024-08-20T13:03:21Z")

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> [@sam](#):
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> I think we probably want to remove one line for single post topics @chapoi (it is enabled here now)

What line do you mean?

> [@sam](#):
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> The topic table already has `word_count` so maybe you need more than 100 words to show the summarize button by default.

This is crucial I think.

> [@Feedback on our simplified topic map experiment](https://meta.discourse.org/t/feedback-on-our-simplified-topic-map-experiment/307584/47):
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> Low counts are hidden
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> Based on what we hide now:
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> > [@Feedback on our simplified topic map experiment](https://meta.discourse.org/t/feedback-on-our-simplified-topic-map-experiment/307584/47):
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> > hide low counts:
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> > - Hide low read estimates (under 3 minutes)
> > - Hide participant count if 5 or less
> > - Show participant avatars if there are more than 10 posts
> > - Hide like count when there are fewer than 5 likes or fewer than 10 posts

I’d say everything _could_ be shown, even when zero, except the estimated read time. I’d still hide that when under 3min. It has very little value as a low number. Then again, if you’re already showing the whole element… I guess it doesn’t matter anymore.

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### Author: ![awesomerobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/meta/user_avatar/meta.discourse.org/awesomerobot/32/142900_2.png) [@awesomerobot](https://meta.discourse.org/u/awesomerobot)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2024, 4:02pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/how-to-show-topic-map-on-non-commented-posts/204222/34 "2024-08-21T16:02:19Z")

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This seems fine, we can adjust based on feedback if people feel like it’s too much…

> [@sam](#):
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> The argument here is:
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> 1. It **unlocks** the ability to have ai summary on single topic posts

This is a good reason for it, but most sites won’t have AI summaries enabled…

it would be nice if this could be a more default feature but I guess there’s not much to be done when it relies on an additional service with a cost involved

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### Author: ![sam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/meta/user_avatar/meta.discourse.org/sam/32/102149_2.png) [@sam](https://meta.discourse.org/u/sam)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2024, 9:47pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/how-to-show-topic-map-on-non-commented-posts/204222/38 "2024-08-21T21:47:55Z")

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Views and view history is still very important for old unanswered questions and documentation

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