# Matrix protocol for chat

**URL:** https://meta.discourse.org/t/matrix-protocol-for-chat/210780
**Category:** Feature
**Tags:** chat
**Created:** [December 1, 2021, 10:02pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/matrix-protocol-for-chat/210780 "2021-12-01T22:02:26Z")
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### Author: ![sunjam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/meta/user_avatar/meta.discourse.org/sunjam/32/175682_2.png) [@sunjam](https://meta.discourse.org/u/sunjam)
#### Post date: [October 28, 2023, 6:41pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/matrix-protocol-for-chat/210780/32 "2023-10-28T18:41:12Z")

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Very cool, but I see there are no actual installation instructions listed.

```plaintext
More information about this plugin and how to install it on [Meta](https://meta.discourse.org/t/TODO).

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> [@davy](#):
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> E2E crypto is rather counter-productive in this regard.

You are confused. This bridges to Matrix, which means it does not include any sort of e2e encryption. It simply makes the forum chat available to matrix users as well.

> [@davy](#):
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> If there’s a high requirement for secrecy for once-to-many or many-to-many communication

This has nothing to do with secrecy. It is simply for chatting with people who happen to be on Matrix.

> [@jimkleiber](#):
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> the admin can just break the E2EE anyway so maybe couldn’t trust it regardless.

There is no e2e here. e2e would mean the encryption is on the client side, before it reaches the server. Can we please stop conflating matrix support with e2e.

For anyone who does want e2e in Discourse and wants to discuss somewhere else… you can use [Discourse Encrypt (deprecated)](https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-encrypt-for-private-messages/107918)

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