# min\_trust\_to\_create\_topic affects private messages
**URL:** https://meta.discourse.org/t/min-trust-to-create-topic-affects-private-messages/34234
**Category:** Bug
**Created:** [2015年十月7日 17:14 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/min-trust-to-create-topic-affects-private-messages/34234 "2015-10-07T17:14:00Z")
**Posts on this page:** 4
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### Author:  [@michaeld](https://meta.discourse.org/u/michaeld)
#### Post date: [2015年十月7日 17:14 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/min-trust-to-create-topic-affects-private-messages/34234/1 "2015-10-07T17:14:00Z")
One of our customers complained that non-admin users where unable to send private messages.
Anyone (but admin) trying to message another user got a 403 Forbidden error.
This turned out to be caused by the `min_trust_to_create_topic` setting being set to TL 4. Setting it to a lower trust level solved the issue.
Given how PM’s are implemented, it makes sense. But it seems to me that this wasn’t exactly meant to work this way 😄
The only thing that still puzzles me is that no one seems to have had an issue with this before.
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### Author:  [@codinghorror](https://meta.discourse.org/u/codinghorror)
#### Post date: [2015年十月8日 03:37 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/min-trust-to-create-topic-affects-private-messages/34234/2 "2015-10-08T03:37:42Z")
Probably a bug, @techapj can you add it to your list?
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### Author:  [@techAPJ](https://meta.discourse.org/u/techAPJ)
#### Post date: [2015年十月17日 10:09 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/min-trust-to-create-topic-affects-private-messages/34234/4 "2015-10-17T10:09:12Z")
Fixed via:
[https://github.com/discourse/discourse/commit/59a011e6a9a0da1e97476a4f4fe4d7ac0c5c3ead](https://github.com/discourse/discourse/commit/59a011e6a9a0da1e97476a4f4fe4d7ac0c5c3ead)
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### Author:  [@techAPJ](https://meta.discourse.org/u/techAPJ)
#### Post date: [2015年十月17日 10:09 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/min-trust-to-create-topic-affects-private-messages/34234/5 "2015-10-17T10:09:23Z")