# Missing system's avatar in some places?
**URL:** https://meta.discourse.org/t/missing-systems-avatar-in-some-places/278537
**Category:** Support
**Created:** [September 11, 2023, 8:34am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/missing-systems-avatar-in-some-places/278537 "2023-09-11T08:34:33Z")
**Posts on this page:** 5
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### Author:  [@lejeczek](https://meta.discourse.org/u/lejeczek)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2023, 8:34am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/missing-systems-avatar-in-some-places/278537/1 "2023-09-11T08:34:33Z")
Hi guys.
I’m having a peculiar “malfunction” - might be not peculiar, a novice here - where **avatars** assigned by _system_ do not show up in the top-right corner nor in/next to posts authored by the user, yet those avatars do show in summaries, list of posts/topics.
Also I’ve noticed that upon _login_ that profile-icon appears delayed a bit, in comparison to search & chat icons.
Am I missing some obvious setting? Thanks.
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### Author:  [@RGJ](https://meta.discourse.org/u/RGJ)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2023, 9:23am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/missing-systems-avatar-in-some-places/278537/2 "2023-09-11T09:23:08Z")
We did see some issues with the central letter avatar service as well, it started around 7 hours ago. Maybe the DNS for [avatars.discourse.org](http://avatars.discourse.org) changed, nginx does not always pick that up. Restarting nginx resolved the issue.
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### Author:  [@lejeczek](https://meta.discourse.org/u/lejeczek)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2023, 1:44pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/missing-systems-avatar-in-some-places/278537/3 "2023-09-11T13:44:17Z")
Within the container I see:
```plaintext
301 Moved Permanently
301 Moved Permanently
nginx
```
but now I also wonder: I thought, **avatars** assigned by the _system_ are most basic way to get an avatar - that needs to talk to Discourse’s resource (as external resource) as opposed to being done “locally”?
Would I see avatars in some places but not everywhere - if it was for the reasons you suggest?
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### Author:  [@lejeczek](https://meta.discourse.org/u/lejeczek)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2023, 5:41am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/missing-systems-avatar-in-some-places/278537/4 "2023-09-13T05:41:20Z")
Is it possible to debug it, to get more verbose logs for it?
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### Author:  [@lejeczek](https://meta.discourse.org/u/lejeczek)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2023, 12:02pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/missing-systems-avatar-in-some-places/278537/5 "2023-09-13T12:02:27Z")
Should these parts, the behaviour, vary with each web browser and… more, a lot more importantly does it depend on external, external to Discourse local installation, factors?
In Firefox I go to user profile and “system-assigned” avatar is missing there, but it’s present in Brave and again missing in Chrome (all from the same one browsing client)
When I go to **/latest** there user avatar’s miniature is shown in Chromium but is “missing” in Brave and in Firefox.
In Brave I go to a post, under which I see miniature avatar in _last reply_ and in reply itself the avatar is absent, but in Firefox it’s the opposite.
And I cleared site data for the domain in each browser prior to this “testing”.
This is freakyyyy!!!