# Need Help Troubleshooting an "Internal Server Error" message When New Topic is posted
**URL:** https://meta.discourse.org/t/need-help-troubleshooting-an-internal-server-error-message-when-new-topic-is-posted/103941
**Category:** Support
**Created:** [December 10, 2018, 7:45pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/need-help-troubleshooting-an-internal-server-error-message-when-new-topic-is-posted/103941 "2018-12-10T19:45:06Z")
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### Author:  [@SouperC](https://meta.discourse.org/u/SouperC)
#### Post date: [December 10, 2018, 7:45pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/need-help-troubleshooting-an-internal-server-error-message-when-new-topic-is-posted/103941/1 "2018-12-10T19:45:06Z")
Hey guys. Since I upgraded our Discourse instance v2.2.0.beta5 +35 (or possibly after [I tried to update the subscription settings for the general category](https://meta.discourse.org/t/how-do-i-set-category-tracking-level-defaults-historically/53165/50) I’ve had some reports from users that they intermittently get an "internal Server Error Message when posting a new topic.. Of course, I haven’t experienced this yet myself.
At this point I haven’t been able to isolate any variables or commonalities that these users might have.
At first I took a look at top, and it looked like the server (Two cores) was busy, but I would have thought it had enough overhead.
Here’s my error logs for today:
So I rebooted the server, users still report having the same issue, but CPU utilization is minimal
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### Author:  [@supermathie](https://meta.discourse.org/u/supermathie)
#### Post date: [December 10, 2018, 7:47pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/need-help-troubleshooting-an-internal-server-error-message-when-new-topic-is-posted/103941/2 "2018-12-10T19:47:09Z")
This was a bug that was fixed as per [NoMethodError in force\_edit\_last\_validator](https://meta.discourse.org/t/nomethoderror-in-force-edit-last-validator/103378)
Updating again will fix the problem.
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### Author:  [@SouperC](https://meta.discourse.org/u/SouperC)
#### Post date: [December 10, 2018, 7:50pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/need-help-troubleshooting-an-internal-server-error-message-when-new-topic-is-posted/103941/3 "2018-12-10T19:50:08Z")
Thanks so much. I’m not sure how I missed that, I searched I promise.
To update do I just run ./launcher rebuild app?
I’m not being prompted that an update is not available via the admin panel.
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### Author:  [@david](https://meta.discourse.org/u/david)
#### Post date: [December 10, 2018, 7:52pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/need-help-troubleshooting-an-internal-server-error-message-when-new-topic-is-posted/103941/4 "2018-12-10T19:52:26Z")
> [@SouperC](#):
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> launcher rebuild app
You can do that, or manually visit `/admin/upgrade`
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### Author:  [@supermathie](https://meta.discourse.org/u/supermathie)
#### Post date: [December 10, 2018, 7:59pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/need-help-troubleshooting-an-internal-server-error-message-when-new-topic-is-posted/103941/5 "2018-12-10T19:59:03Z")
> [@SouperC](#):
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> Thanks so much. I’m not sure how I missed that, I searched I promise.
Don’t stress, I say this ALL THE TIME. 🙂
In the future, searching for a more specific string will help - `Internal Server Error` is VERY generic, but you can find good terms to use as your search key from the error you posted:
searching for `undefined method posts "force_edit_last_validator"` would have done the trick!
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### Author:  [@SouperC](https://meta.discourse.org/u/SouperC)
#### Post date: [December 10, 2018, 8:00pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/need-help-troubleshooting-an-internal-server-error-message-when-new-topic-is-posted/103941/6 "2018-12-10T20:00:39Z")
> [@supermathie](#):
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> `Internal Server Error` is VERY generic
Oh for sure. I wasnt sure which line(s) (if any) in the logs pertained to the issue. But in retrospect I could have tried various lines and seen if I got any hits.
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### Author:  [@supermathie](https://meta.discourse.org/u/supermathie)
#### Post date: [December 11, 2018, 1:48am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/need-help-troubleshooting-an-internal-server-error-message-when-new-topic-is-posted/103941/7 "2018-12-11T01:48:51Z")
👍 The more you do it, the better you get at figuring out how to do it.
Turning off everything except Fatal is also a good place to start:
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### Author:  [@system](https://meta.discourse.org/u/system)
#### Post date: [January 10, 2019, 1:51am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/need-help-troubleshooting-an-internal-server-error-message-when-new-topic-is-posted/103941/8 "2019-01-10T01:51:41Z")
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