# Oddly named groups with 2 users
**URL:** https://meta.discourse.org/t/oddly-named-groups-with-2-users/109369
**Category:** Support
**Created:** [2월 17, 2019, 11:36오전 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/oddly-named-groups-with-2-users/109369 "2019-02-17T11:36:07Z")
**Posts on this page:** 16
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### Author:  [@JagWaugh](https://meta.discourse.org/u/JagWaugh)
#### Post date: [2월 17, 2019, 11:36오전 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/oddly-named-groups-with-2-users/109369/1 "2019-02-17T11:36:07Z")
Anyone else seeing this?
There are something like 160 of these on our site. All with just two members. I’ve had a look at them, and they don’t seem to show any pattern I can recognise.
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### Author:  [@iamntz](https://meta.discourse.org/u/iamntz)
#### Post date: [2월 17, 2019, 5:52오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/oddly-named-groups-with-2-users/109369/2 "2019-02-17T17:52:49Z")
Are you using a chat plugin? (or any plugin that can „connect” two users?)
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### Author:  [@JagWaugh](https://meta.discourse.org/u/JagWaugh)
#### Post date: [2월 17, 2019, 9:07오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/oddly-named-groups-with-2-users/109369/3 "2019-02-17T21:07:54Z")
We were. We removed Babble about 1 month ago, these groups only started to appear in the last week.
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### Author:  [@sam](https://meta.discourse.org/u/sam)
#### Post date: [2월 18, 2019, 3:47오전 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/oddly-named-groups-with-2-users/109369/4 "2019-02-18T03:47:53Z")
I can confirm nothing in core or any official plugins would cause this.
Are you 100% sure you removed the chat plugin AND rebuilt?
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### Author:  [@JagWaugh](https://meta.discourse.org/u/JagWaugh)
#### Post date: [2월 18, 2019, 6:13오전 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/oddly-named-groups-with-2-users/109369/5 "2019-02-18T06:13:21Z")
> [@sam](#):
>
> Are you 100% sure you removed the chat plugin AND rebuilt?
Nothing in settings about babble. The log shows it being enabled about a month ago, but presumably because of the way plugins are added and removed there is no way to log a “plugin removed” event.
The only changes we’ve made which _might_ be related are discourse-topic-trade-buttons, and Akismet..
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### Author:  [@Stephen](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Stephen)
#### Post date: [2월 18, 2019, 6:17오전 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/oddly-named-groups-with-2-users/109369/6 "2019-02-18T06:17:18Z")
Show us the plugins section from your yml file.
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### Author:  [@JagWaugh](https://meta.discourse.org/u/JagWaugh)
#### Post date: [2월 18, 2019, 6:19오전 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/oddly-named-groups-with-2-users/109369/7 "2019-02-18T06:19:39Z")
I haven’t got shell access:
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### Author:  [@Stephen](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Stephen)
#### Post date: [2월 18, 2019, 1:32오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/oddly-named-groups-with-2-users/109369/8 "2019-02-18T13:32:28Z")
How was this instance installed? Who hosts it?
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### Author:  [@JagWaugh](https://meta.discourse.org/u/JagWaugh)
#### Post date: [2월 18, 2019, 1:37오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/oddly-named-groups-with-2-users/109369/9 "2019-02-18T13:37:13Z")
We run on AWS. We went live in 2016… probably not an import issue.
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### Author:  [@Stephen](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Stephen)
#### Post date: [2월 18, 2019, 2:21오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/oddly-named-groups-with-2-users/109369/10 "2019-02-18T14:21:45Z")
I didn’t ask that, but you said you don’t have shell access, does someone else?
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### Author:  [@JagWaugh](https://meta.discourse.org/u/JagWaugh)
#### Post date: [2월 18, 2019, 5:42오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/oddly-named-groups-with-2-users/109369/11 "2019-02-18T17:42:26Z")
@Gunnar will do a reboot when he gets a moment (we’ve got some disappearing avatars). Anything in particular he should look for?
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### Author:  [@Falco](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Falco)
#### Post date: [2월 18, 2019, 5:58오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/oddly-named-groups-with-2-users/109369/12 "2019-02-18T17:58:56Z")
Maybe the `created_at` timestamps can help you pin down where this is coming from?
```plaintext
./launcher enter app
rails c
Group.order(:created_at).map{|g| "#{g.name} at #{g.created_at}"}
```
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### Author:  [@Gunnar](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Gunnar)
#### Post date: [4월 2, 2019, 9:09오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/oddly-named-groups-with-2-users/109369/13 "2019-04-02T21:09:42Z")
> [@Stephen](#):
>
> Show us the plugins section from your yml file.
```
- git clone https://github.com/discourse/docker_manager.git
- git clone https://github.com/davidtaylorhq/discourse-whos-online.git
- git clone https://github.com/discourse/discourse-data-explorer.git
- git clone https://github.com/leodavidson/discourse-reset-bump.git
- git clone https://github.com/Ebsy/discourse-nationalflags.git
- git clone https://github.com/discourse/discourse-staff-notes.git
- git clone https://github.com/discourse/discourse-patreon.git
- git clone https://github.com/LeoDavidson/discourse-forcemoderation.git
- git clone https://github.com/joebuhlig/discourse-mlm-daily-summary.git
- git clone https://github.com/discourse/discourse-yearly-review.git
- git clone https://github.com/discourse/discourse-akismet.git
- git clone https://github.com/jannolii/discourse-topic-trade-buttons.git
- git clone https://github.com/discourse/discourse-saved-searches.git
```
Gunnar
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### Author:  [@Gunnar](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Gunnar)
#### Post date: [4월 2, 2019, 9:13오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/oddly-named-groups-with-2-users/109369/14 "2019-04-02T21:13:19Z")
> [@Stephen](#):
>
> How was this instance installed? Who hosts it?
It was installed by me using the “5 minute” installation procedure from a Docker image that was recommended when I installed, in the fall of 2016.
It’s hosted on AWS, I have shell access. We store as much as possible in S3 and use CloudFront.
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### Author:  [@Gunnar](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Gunnar)
#### Post date: [4월 2, 2019, 9:22오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/oddly-named-groups-with-2-users/109369/15 "2019-04-02T21:22:50Z")
> [@Falco](#):
>
> Maybe the `created_at` timestamps
Thanks. Now, that is interesting.
```
=> ["everyone at 2016-10-27 01:23:57 UTC",
[... deleted a bunch of default groups from the output for clarity]
"0c4237a55a437e745adbf49ddb42896c at 2018-08-03 17:17:46 UTC",
"15324615cad3736be1b16f008024962d at 2018-08-03 22:12:51 UTC",
[... deleted a bunch of random groups for clarity]
"e0f319af42dcc4faf52f7d23fdab880c at 2019-01-10 12:59:03 UTC",
"0971bb32374715856236be3069b39e46 at 2019-01-11 04:00:43 UTC"]
```
So, the problem started in August of 2018 and ended in January of 2019. I can’t say for sure, but that could very well coincide with the installation and removal of the Babble plugin.
Thanks,
Gunnar
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### Author:  [@JammyDodger](https://meta.discourse.org/u/JammyDodger)
#### Post date: [6월 9, 2022, 1:31오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/oddly-named-groups-with-2-users/109369/17 "2022-06-09T13:31:40Z")