# Plugins don't show up
**URL:** https://meta.discourse.org/t/plugins-dont-show-up/198904
**Category:** Self-hosting
**Tags:** unsupported-install
**Created:** [August 2, 2021, 2:10pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/plugins-dont-show-up/198904 "2021-08-02T14:10:40Z")
**Posts on this page:** 3
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### Author:  [@Stephan\_Goeldi](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Stephan_Goeldi)
#### Post date: [August 2, 2021, 2:10pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/plugins-dont-show-up/198904/1 "2021-08-02T14:10:40Z")
I’m running a Discourse site the developer way, so no Docker implemented. I am running separate services for sidekiq, redis and discourse. Everything works ok.
Only if I install a new plugin (I git-clone it into the /plugins directory, chmod to user www-data or discourse, does not matter and restart above mentioned services, also rebooted the server) I cannot see the plugin on the site /admin/plugins. There is no single plugin listed.
But if I search in /admin/site\_settings for an element of a newly installed plugin, say the plugin chat-integrations, I search for “chat” and find the settings for this plugin: “chat integration enabled” and all the related settings. Some of them are enabled (checked), some are not. If I hit hard-reload (Ctrl-Shift-R on Linux) those checked items change, so all of a sudden, e.g. slack is no more activated but discourse is, next reload vice versa etc.
The same happens with other plugins like the discourse-news.
No plugin seems to work.
I successfully installed the discourse-big-header-little-header component, and it shows up and works.
But what is wrong with the plugins?
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### Author:  [@pfaffman](https://meta.discourse.org/u/pfaffman)
#### Post date: [August 3, 2021, 12:38am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/plugins-dont-show-up/198904/2 "2021-08-03T00:38:03Z")
It’s pretty impossible to guess. If you do [Discourse official Standard Installation](https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-official-standard-installation/142537) and it doesn’t work, let us know.
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### Author:  [@Stephan\_Goeldi](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Stephan_Goeldi)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2021, 11:47am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/plugins-dont-show-up/198904/3 "2021-08-04T11:47:05Z")
The official standard installation is a docker installation.
As mentioned above, I did not install it using docker.