# Proposed changes to discourse-setup because Digital Ocean blocks outbound smtp

**URL:** <https://meta.discourse.org/t/proposed-changes-to-discourse-setup-because-digital-ocean-blocks-outbound-smtp/66778>\
**Category:** Development\
**Created:** [July 25, 2017, 1:30pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/proposed-changes-to-discourse-setup-because-digital-ocean-blocks-outbound-smtp/66778 "2017-07-25T13:30:12Z")\
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**Author:** ![mpalmer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/meta/user_avatar/meta.discourse.org/mpalmer/32/45740_2.png) [@mpalmer](https://meta.discourse.org/u/mpalmer)\
**Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 10:43pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/proposed-changes-to-discourse-setup-because-digital-ocean-blocks-outbound-smtp/66778/5 "2017-07-25T22:43:36Z")

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We shouldn’t be sending mail on port 25 anyway. 587 is the “submission” port, for MUAs (which is what Discourse is) to _submit_ mail to a fully-fledged MTA, using an encrypted and authenticated connection. AFAIK all decent ESPs support submission, and if a provider blocks 587 outbound, I’m more than happy to go full rage-womble on them, because there is absolutely zero reason to do so on anti-abuse grounds.

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