This is a stretch but have you by any chance changed this setting for that category:
It truly is the last thing I can think about.
This is a stretch but have you by any chance changed this setting for that category:
It truly is the last thing I can think about.
Thanks @Chapoi That is a very good question - but I cannot for the life of me even find that setting under the âAppearanceâ tab.
A settings search for âtopic listâ also elicits nothing for me.
Oh sorry, it is a category setting. So go to the category tab via here:
Choose a category > click wrench
And then to the settings tab:
And scroll down
But if you donât know it, the chances youâve changed it are slim ![]()
Thanks @Moin
Where would I find/check/edit the ?order=posters parameter?
I found nothing obviously related by searching admin settings
I think just in the URL when you are on the /latest page.
So on meta it is https://meta.discourse.org/latest
and shouldnât be anything else for example
I sometimes have something like this sticking at the URL, without any configuration. It can happen, for example, after clicking one of the column headings in the topic list.
FWIW⌠In attempting to repro this I think Iâve managed to bork my latest list in a similar way, though Iâm not 100% sure exactly what I did to do itâŚ
Currently I have a subcategory whose topics simply donât show in Latest no matter what category level or topic level notification I set for them. This also spans multiple test users as well.
No consistent repro as yet, nor a solution to remedy it, but maybe this could help focus some thoughts on a potential bug?
The only âfixâ Iâve come up with so far is to create a new subcategory and slide the topics into that. They then show up in my topic lists as normal.
From what I can tell, the âproblemâ category still seems to thinks itâs muted for some reason. ![]()
Thanks @chapoi .
Found it, and my setting for the Architects Forum subcategory was on âDescendingâ
Not sure if that was significant, but I switched it to âdefaultâ
According to my MS Co-pilot query on the subject, the â100% definitve and certian truthâ is that the âLatestâ filter essentially just means âmost recently touchedâ
Apparently, many things can âtouchâ a post and shift it to the top even without those things changing any visible date - including the forum software rebuilding process itself (which I recently did, with extensive fiddling to get Letâs Encrypt working again).
Things like changes to user notification settings, administrator actions to shift old wrongly categorised posts into the correct category etc (which I had also done a bit of), can also push old posts to the top of the âlatestâ filter listings even though the date remains old.
A better, smarter default filter than âLatestâ seems to be âHotâ.
If this true, it is not clear to me why including the âLatestâ filter in the Top menu setting has been made mandetory at all in Discourse Admin All Site Settings=>Basic Setup (not including it triggers a warning)
I have just reordered my Top menu, making âHotâ now the default, and have added extra filter options to the menu such that âLatestâ is now at the bottom end of a longer list of options, and so will hopefully be used less often by hapless users.
The result is now almost back to the way things appeared before the Latest filter started delivering these whacky results.
The fact that the topics show in hot seems to indicate that they are somehow still muted. @JammyDodger just told me the same, and it reminded me of the fact that there is a bug with muted topics appearing in hot:
So maybe using hot is a workaround, but itâs likely to break once that is fixed. I think we should still try to find out why the category mutes the topics even when itâs not muted.
Fair enough @Moin
Just marked the topic as ânot solvedâ again.
I wondered if, at least in my case, what looks like muting, might instead be a product of old posts in my unwanted subcategory being âtouchedâ by background processes (or me recently going back and fixing old category errors to old posts) , and thus pushed to the front for the âLatestâ filter?
That said,stuff is now getting weirder for me - now that I have made those tweaks to Top menu, clicking on the âLatestâ filter seems to generate what I actually expect & want to see under that filter, with topics now back in a coherent date order - at least while the correct subcategory is selected.
Perhaps there is a bug impacting some hidden variable somewhere, and the process of toggling menus around is needed to partially un-bork things?
What is still borked is that, with no category selected, I am still getting exclusivily older posts in the unwanted category appearing by default when the filter is âLatestâ
Scrolling to the end reveals no posts in the wanted category at all - which is positivly misleading for users, many of whom will probably lose interest in the forum there and then, due to apparent lack of activity!.
The issue goes away when the filter is âHotâ - posts from all categories appear in order of recentness, as they should, when no category is selected.
What might help is a way to tell Discourse whether items merely âtouchedâ should be toggled to display according to the last visible posting date, rather than the last background activity date, when filtered by âLatestâ.
Iâm not getting much further in my investigations, but I think it could be something to do with the indirectly_muted_categories.
Latest should be all topics in descending activity order, minus any muted topics/categories. This is definitely a break from that, and is as yet unexplained.
The âactivityâ that bumps a topic is generally stuff that people would find relevant/interesting. It has been changed recently to stop edits bumping (apart from in certain circumstances. Iâm a bit hazy on the exact specifics of where that currently stands. I think theyâre still tweaking it?), but bumps for activity shouldnât be by anything hidden in the background.
We had a breakthrough: as soon as you remove the category from the âShared drafts categoryâ site setting, it appears as expected.
@Paul_King, is the category that doesnât appear in latest for you currently configured as Shared drafts category?
Slightly sheepish, as I forgot Iâd put it in there.
Certainly explains why I couldnât repro with other categories.
Bingo! Yes, that seems to work for me too
Well spotted!
I assume this is a bug, and not a feature?
The description of the setting only mentions topics being hidden for staff users, but it seems to affect all users.
Enable the Shared Drafts feature by designating a category for topic drafts. Topics in this category will be suppressed from topic lists for staff users.
I have no experience with this feature. I donât know if the effects have always been like this.
It actually makes sense to me they would be hidden from normal users and the copy is wrong.
Hmm. @martin what do you think?