# Trust Level groups are not shown on group list even if they are set to be
**URL:** https://meta.discourse.org/t/trust-level-groups-are-not-shown-on-group-list-even-if-they-are-set-to-be/389652
**Category:** UX
**Tags:** groups, trust-levels
**Created:** [November 25, 2025, 9:12pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/trust-level-groups-are-not-shown-on-group-list-even-if-they-are-set-to-be/389652 "2025-11-25T21:12:26Z")
**Posts on this page:** 6
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### Author:  [@Steradiant](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Steradiant)
#### Post date: [November 25, 2025, 9:12pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/trust-level-groups-are-not-shown-on-group-list-even-if-they-are-set-to-be/389652/1 "2025-11-25T21:12:26Z")
Even if you set a trust level group to be visible by everyone, they are still not shown on the global group list.
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### Author:  [@ToddZ](https://meta.discourse.org/u/ToddZ)
#### Post date: [November 25, 2025, 11:06pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/trust-level-groups-are-not-shown-on-group-list-even-if-they-are-set-to-be/389652/2 "2025-11-25T23:06:16Z")
That appears to be by design. I don’t think Trust Level lists are meant to be available to the general user base:
> [@What does "who can see this group" mean?](https://meta.discourse.org/t/what-does-who-can-see-this-group-mean/82411/4):
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> I have 40 odd members in trust level 1. Group visibility has been set to everyone, but they cannot see each other. Why is this?
> [@What does "who can see this group" mean?](https://meta.discourse.org/t/what-does-who-can-see-this-group-mean/82411/5):
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> That’s an automatic group – automatic groups do not have the same rules or behavior as manual groups.
But the behavior of the visibility setting re. automatic groups is confusing, and has been brought up: [Respect the visibility settings of all automatic groups - Feature](https://meta.discourse.org/t/respect-the-visibility-settings-of-all-automatic-groups/280998)
(So this might be a #Contribute > UX item rather than a #Contribute > Bug, but I’ll see if anyone else has thoughts.)
If you have a case where it makes sense to publicly list, for instance, a few TL4 users, you might find this theme component useful: [Add groups to the /about page - Theme component](https://meta.discourse.org/t/add-groups-to-the-about-page/334492)
EDIT: I’ve just been informed that this component functionality is now in core, under Admin → Community → About your site:
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### Author:  [@awesomerobot](https://meta.discourse.org/u/awesomerobot)
#### Post date: [November 25, 2025, 11:14pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/trust-level-groups-are-not-shown-on-group-list-even-if-they-are-set-to-be/389652/3 "2025-11-25T23:14:04Z")
Automatic groups are intentionally hidden from the group index (`/g`) — but the visibility settings will let normal users visit them directly (`community.example.com/g/trust_level_0`).
It’s been like this for a long time… there’s an old comment in the code about why
`# hide automatic groups from all non stuff to de-clutter page`
but maybe it’s unnecessary now? might be clearer to just have them follow their appearance settings (and let them remain hidden by default)
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### Author:  [@ToddZ](https://meta.discourse.org/u/ToddZ)
#### Post date: [November 25, 2025, 11:46pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/trust-level-groups-are-not-shown-on-group-list-even-if-they-are-set-to-be/389652/4 "2025-11-25T23:46:10Z")
I have no desire to expose TL group lists, but having the visibility settings do what they say might head off similar questions in the future.
(There’s a good detailed discussion over at [the feature request](https://meta.discourse.org/t/respect-the-visibility-settings-of-all-automatic-groups/280998) for anyone who wants to support this.)
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### Author:  [@copymonopoly](https://meta.discourse.org/u/copymonopoly)
#### Post date: [May 26, 2026, 2:16am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/trust-level-groups-are-not-shown-on-group-list-even-if-they-are-set-to-be/389652/5 "2026-05-26T02:16:50Z")
Hi, I totally get your point about wanting the visibility settings to actually do what they promise — that would reduce confusion for sure.
However, I wanted to gently point out something: even if we hide the trust\_level\_X groups from the group list, the information is still quite exposed through the **badge grant history**.
For example, anyone can go to /badges, click on “Member” (or “Regular”, “Basic User”, etc.), and see a complete chronological list of everyone who has been granted that trust level badge. It basically functions as a public TL group list already.
So while cleaning up the groups page is nice, the trust level data isn’t really private in practice. Just thought it was worth mentioning.
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### Author:  [@Moin](https://meta.discourse.org/u/Moin)
#### Post date: [May 26, 2026, 5:54am UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/trust-level-groups-are-not-shown-on-group-list-even-if-they-are-set-to-be/389652/6 "2026-05-26T05:54:14Z")
You can disable the trust level badges in the admin menu. So while it might be true in your case that the information is also available on the badges page, other admins might have disabled the trust level badges (or even badges in general). I’d also disagree that it’s the same information. Group pages offer a searchable user list, where you can not only see when they got the badge but also when they posted and a list with posts from all the members.