# When wikis are edited, they should be bumped
**URL:** https://meta.discourse.org/t/when-wikis-are-edited-they-should-be-bumped/79121
**Category:** Feature
**Created:** [1월 26, 2018, 9:24오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/when-wikis-are-edited-they-should-be-bumped/79121 "2018-01-26T21:24:15Z")
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### Author:  [@outofthebox](https://meta.discourse.org/u/outofthebox)
#### Post date: [1월 26, 2018, 9:24오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/when-wikis-are-edited-they-should-be-bumped/79121/1 "2018-01-26T21:24:16Z")
I believe when wikis get a non-trivial edit (X # of characters?), they should be bumped. Otherwise, the change is not evident to other participants. If it is a working document, it keeps drifting down the list of topics.
As always, I welcome the candid feedback.
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### Author:  [@jaevanryssel](https://meta.discourse.org/u/jaevanryssel)
#### Post date: [1월 26, 2018, 9:31오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/when-wikis-are-edited-they-should-be-bumped/79121/2 "2018-01-26T21:31:12Z")
> [@outofthebox](#):
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> get a non-trivial edit (X # of characters?),
Guessing a problem with this would be this here:
[https://meta.discourse.org/t/users-bypassing-the-10-character-rule/35257](https://meta.discourse.org/t/users-bypassing-the-10-character-rule/35257)
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### Author:  [@jomaxro](https://meta.discourse.org/u/jomaxro)
#### Post date: [1월 26, 2018, 9:35오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/when-wikis-are-edited-they-should-be-bumped/79121/3 "2018-01-26T21:35:20Z")
This has come up many, many times before. Best option here is to immediately close the wiki topic and delete the “closed” small post. Then the wiki will be the latest post and all edits will cause timestamp bumps.
This idea was discussed previously, but has not been implemented at this time:
> [@Edits to Wikis with Replies Should Cause Timestamp Change / Post Shown as Updated](https://meta.discourse.org/t/edits-to-wikis-with-replies-should-cause-timestamp-change-post-shown-as-updated/52700/4):
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> What I really want is a “special” wiki mode where every edit on the OP generates a “system” message on the topic linking to the diff that was made. It would make public wikis much more interesting cause you could more easily discuss changes and so on.
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### Author:  [@codinghorror](https://meta.discourse.org/u/codinghorror)
#### Post date: [1월 27, 2018, 12:18오전 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/when-wikis-are-edited-they-should-be-bumped/79121/4 "2018-01-27T00:18:30Z")
This implies we build a “subscribe to this post” feature which would be a huge conceptual leap. Best thing to do is make the wiki the first post, immediately close the topic. Then all edits bump the topic as they are edits to the “last” and first post, same natural rule we have for all topics..
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### Author:  [@sam](https://meta.discourse.org/u/sam)
#### Post date: [1월 29, 2018, 11:21오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/when-wikis-are-edited-they-should-be-bumped/79121/5 "2018-01-29T23:21:44Z")
Also discussions on mega wikis get out-of-hand, so a simple workaround after locking the topic is to link from the top of the wiki to a “dedicated” discussion topic.
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### Author:  [@codinghorror](https://meta.discourse.org/u/codinghorror)
#### Post date: [1월 29, 2018, 11:26오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/when-wikis-are-edited-they-should-be-bumped/79121/6 "2018-01-29T23:26:58Z")
I find it _can_ be OK if someone has the discipline to periodically delete the discussion and fold relevant edits derived from the discussion into the first post. But this would prevent bumping the topic on edit if that’s what people want.
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### Author:  [@wolftune](https://meta.discourse.org/u/wolftune)
#### Post date: [3월 14, 2018, 7:36오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/when-wikis-are-edited-they-should-be-bumped/79121/7 "2018-03-14T19:36:33Z")
It’s kinda tragic and frustrating if there’s an accidental or extraneous single reply on a wiki topic where deleting the reply _still_ can’t return to the wiki item being considered the “last” post.
Shouldn’t deleted replies not count at all for bumping etc. or anything else?
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### Author:  [@sam](https://meta.discourse.org/u/sam)
#### Post date: [3월 14, 2018, 8:37오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/when-wikis-are-edited-they-should-be-bumped/79121/8 "2018-03-14T20:37:57Z")
> [@wolftune](#):
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> Shouldn’t deleted replies not count at all for bumping etc. or anything else?
Deleted posts should not count, if you are able to reproduce an issue on latest where bump is not happening cause of subsequent post deletion please report it here.
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### Author:  [@wolftune](https://meta.discourse.org/u/wolftune)
#### Post date: [3월 14, 2018, 8:46오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/when-wikis-are-edited-they-should-be-bumped/79121/9 "2018-03-14T20:46:28Z")
> [@codinghorror](#):
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> I find it can be OK if someone has the discipline to periodically delete the discussion and fold relevant edits derived from the discussion into the first post. But this would prevent bumping the topic on edit if that’s what people want.
@sam besides a case on our own instance where wiki was edited and no bump happened (there had been only one reply saying “I’m making this a wiki” and that reply was deleted), the quote above from Jeff says explicitly that deleting discussion would still “prevent bumping the topic on edit”, so it sounds like he’s saying it is known to be the way we experienced (that bumping won’t work if there’s any replies, even deleted ones).
Ideally, we’d like wiki edits to bump a topic even if there _are_ replies, but at least if the only replies were also deleted that seems a better-than-nothing workaround if that’s actually possible.
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### Author:  [@codinghorror](https://meta.discourse.org/u/codinghorror)
#### Post date: [3월 14, 2018, 9:17오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/when-wikis-are-edited-they-should-be-bumped/79121/11 "2018-03-14T21:17:45Z")
OK @neil can you add that bug to your list? Sorry about that @wolftune
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### Author:  [@neil](https://meta.discourse.org/u/neil)
#### Post date: [3월 16, 2018, 4:39오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/when-wikis-are-edited-they-should-be-bumped/79121/12 "2018-03-16T16:39:50Z")
I couldn’t repro that bug. If all replies are deleted and the wiki post is edited, the topic gets bumped. There’s an edit grace period which prevents the bumping (default of 5 minutes), but any edit after that will bump the topic.
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### Author:  [@wolftune](https://meta.discourse.org/u/wolftune)
#### Post date: [3월 16, 2018, 6:17오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/when-wikis-are-edited-they-should-be-bumped/79121/13 "2018-03-16T18:17:58Z")
Could it be that the exact process to repro involves posting a reply _before_ a topic is a wiki and then deleting the reply _after_ the topic is a wiki? I’m not sure the details, but maybe some interaction around _when_ the post becomes a wiki is relevant…
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### Author:  [@neil](https://meta.discourse.org/u/neil)
#### Post date: [3월 16, 2018, 6:20오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/when-wikis-are-edited-they-should-be-bumped/79121/14 "2018-03-16T18:20:05Z")
I tried it a few ways. Maybe I missed a specific order or events. If you have steps that work, please post them here.
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### Author:  [@codinghorror](https://meta.discourse.org/u/codinghorror)
#### Post date: [3월 17, 2018, 9:13오후 UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/when-wikis-are-edited-they-should-be-bumped/79121/15 "2018-03-17T21:13:53Z")