# למה Discourse מונע כניסת משתמשים עם Safari 14.8?

**URL:** https://meta.discourse.org/t/why-does-discourse-prevent-users-to-login-with-safari-14-8/270064
**Category:** General
**Created:** [29 ביוני,‏ 2023,‏ 5:38pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/why-does-discourse-prevent-users-to-login-with-safari-14-8/270064 "2023-06-29T17:38:10Z")
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### Author: ![NoObsol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/meta/user_avatar/meta.discourse.org/noobsol/32/313731_2.png) [@NoObsol](https://meta.discourse.org/u/NoObsol)
#### Post date: [30 ביוני,‏ 2023,‏ 8:12pm UTC](https://meta.discourse.org/t/why-does-discourse-prevent-users-to-login-with-safari-14-8/270064/24 "2023-06-30T20:12:49Z")

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> [@Jagster](#):
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> if/when things don’t work after login

First, let us login. Then, if the experience is really lousy, that’s another story. At least, we could login. On step at a time. Regarding the rest of the features, some will work, and other won’t. But I’m quite sure that most of the things would work 😉 iOS 14.8 is not prehistoric.  
There is a difference between

1. preventing people to login unless they do what Discourse want they do; In other words, the service provider choses what the end-user can or cannot do with his phone; thanks but that’s my phone, and I own my things.
2. letting users to login, and have the experience they are okish with. Discourse would do his part, and the end user could chose what he wants to do on his own.

> [@Jagster](#):
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> My iPhone 7 did work as fast after upgrade. Good to know 12 is worse design

After what upgrade, from what to what, and did you benchmark that?

I did own a 3GS, a 5S, a 8 after I broke the 5S, and a 12 Mini. The 3GS suffered from upgrades; the 5S was fine without the upgrades for more than 5 years; the 7 that I bought came with the latest iOS version available at that time, and eventually I got a 12, which I intend to keep on iOS 14.8 as long as possible.

The fact that the more an iPhone is upgraded, the slower it becomes, is common knowledge. You might not notice it after the first upgrade. Nor the second. But after a few upgrades, it will be.

> [@piffy](#):
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> > [@NoObsol](#):
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> > Wrong. Discourse is the single one web service with which i have issue.  
> > QED.
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> It was Apple that dropped their support first. Apple is also the reason you don’t want to update. While the consequence is that you can’t use Discourse, the actor responsible here is pretty clear.

Question is not who did what first. Question is _why does Discourse require a_ **less than 12 months old** _browser_ for the login process by requiring iOS 15.7?\*\*. And if it does not require iOS 15.7, then why making a decision for the user? Who else prevents login from any iPhone with iOS \<15.7 ?

To reply to your post, the actor is Discourse, since there are only issues with Discourse.The fact that Apple drops support for a software is uncorrelated. Apple does not make the web. They manufacture a product. Apple didnt make Discourse.

Discourse choses what device can login and which cannot. Not Apple. If Apple was the cause of the issue, we wouldn’t be able to login anywhere. Think about that 😉

I went through the forum, and noticed that the discussion we’re having here comes quite often.

> [@Backwards compatibility with older browsers](https://meta.discourse.org/t/backwards-compatibility-with-older-browsers/255820/71):
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> Ah the CR-48, I remember it fondly. It’s a shame the hardware was so weak because the chassis was pretty excellent for the time. They’re 13 years old now older_man

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