Errori di traduzione AI

RBoy · 8 Maggio 2026, 1:01pm

Ho notato un sacco di questi messaggi nei log:

Messaggio (2 copie riportate)

DiscourseAi::Translation: Impossibile tradurre il post 120 in da: Validazione fallita: Raw non può essere vuoto, Cooked non può essere vuoto

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Falco · 8 Maggio 2026, 1:08pm

Quindi devi verificare cosa contiene il post 120 (basta navigare in /p/120) e poi controllare qual è stata la risposta dell’LLM quando ha tentato di tradurlo (controlla la tabella ai_api_audit_logs).

RBoy · 8 Maggio 2026, 1:17pm

Quando guardo i log di audit usando questa query

SELECT 
  feature_name,
  created_at,
  post_id,
  response_tokens
FROM 
  ai_api_audit_logs
WHERE 
  post_id IS NOT NULL
  AND created_at > :start_date
  AND (response_tokens IS NULL OR response_tokens != 1)
ORDER BY 
  created_at DESC

Non c’è nulla nei risultati per quel post intorno al timestamp di data/ora mostrato nei log.
C’è qualcos’altro che dovrei controllare?

Falco · 8 Maggio 2026, 1:19pm

Sì, rimuovi l’intera clausola response_tokens dalla clausola WHERE.

RBoy · 8 Maggio 2026, 5:03pm

Ok, prima ho fatto un errore di battitura: non è un PM. Ho notato che hai indicato di usare /p/120, mentre io ho usato /t/120.

/p/120 punta a https://discussion.mcebuddy2x.com/t/63/1

Poi ho eseguito la query aggiornata sulla tabella, ma non ho trovato alcuna voce corrispondente all’orario indicato nei log → giovedì 23:25.

Ho trovato solo queste voci nella tabella, che sono le più vicine all’orario:

feature_name	created_at	post	response_tokens
translation	2026-05-07T23:26:15.471Z	`https://discussion.mcebuddy2x.com/t/5897/1`	2423
translation	2026-05-07T23:11:23.504Z	`https://discussion.mcebuddy2x.com/t/5896/2`	425

Nessuno degli ID dei post sopra corrisponde all’ID del post riportato nel log degli errori.

L’unica volta in cui vedo un riferimento a quell’ID del post è molto più tardi nei log

feature_name	created_at	post	response_tokens
translation	2026-05-08T03:10:18.214Z	`https://discussion.mcebuddy2x.com/t/63/1`	0

Falco · 8 Maggio 2026, 5:35pm

I token di risposta sono inutili per il debug; è necessario mostrare la risposta grezza.

RBoy · 8 Maggio 2026, 7:25pm

Il problema è che non vedo alcuna risposta con lo stesso timestamp del log e l’ID del post.

Il successivo dump di dati che trovo per quell’ID di post è circa un’ora dopo e contiene questo:

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event: error
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Falco · 8 Maggio 2026, 7:53pm

I token di ragionamento stanno consumando tutti i token disponibili nel limite di completamento max_tokens. Un altro motivo per cui non utilizziamo il ragionamento per le traduzioni.

Avevamo un’impostazione del sito per gestire questo problema

Ma l’abbiamo rimossa in

github.com/discourse/discourse

DEV: Update prompts for translations (#38965)

main ← prompt-updates

merged 03:30PM - 30 Mar 26 UTC

nattsw

+36 -80

This PR updates the system prompts for the post and topic title translators to p…roduce more natural, idiomatic output. The previous prompts optimised for accuracy, which led to translations that were technically correct but read like machine translation being overly literal, sometimes the wrong register, and occasionally picking the wrong sense of an ambiguous word.

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Discourse AI Failing to translate large number of posts and topics Support content-localization , ai	8	231	Novembre 10, 2025
AI Translation skips Portuguese (pt) locale - post translated to all languages except Portuguese Bug ai , dynaloc	25	206	Aprile 22, 2026
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