AI翻译回填在配置所有设置后仍无法正常工作

RBoy · 2025 年11 月 11 日 04:21

非常感谢 @nat 的调查，供大家参考，ai_translation_backfill_hourly_rate 与 ai_summary_backfill_hourly_rate 不同，我之前混淆了它们。

@nat 看起来翻译回填现在已经启用，我在仪表板上看到了这个：

翻译进度

回填设置配置为翻译 1998 年 6 月 25 日之后的所有帖子 — 预计需要 10 小时。

但在日志中我看到了这个错误：

Message (9 copies reported)

Job exception: limit

Backtrace

/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/app/jobs/regular/localize_topics.rb:10:in `execute'
/var/www/discourse/app/jobs/base.rb:318:in `block (2 levels) in perform'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/rails_multisite-7.0.0/lib/rails_multisite/connection_management/null_instance.rb:49:in `with_connection'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/rails_multisite-7.0.0/lib/rails_multisite/connection_management.rb:17:in `with_connection'
/var/www/discourse/app/jobs/base.rb:305:in `block in perform'
/var/www/discourse/app/jobs/base.rb:301:in `each'
/var/www/discourse/app/jobs/base.rb:301:in `perform'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:220:in `execute_job'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:185:in `block (4 levels) in process'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:180:in `traverse'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:183:in `block in traverse'
/var/www/discourse/lib/sidekiq/discourse_event.rb:6:in `call'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:182:in `traverse'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:183:in `block in traverse'
/var/www/discourse/lib/sidekiq/pausable.rb:131:in `call'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:182:in `traverse'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:183:in `block in traverse'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/job/interrupt_handler.rb:9:in `call'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:182:in `traverse'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:183:in `block in traverse'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/metrics/tracking.rb:26:in `track'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/metrics/tracking.rb:134:in `call'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:182:in `traverse'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:173:in `invoke'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:183:in `block (2 levels) in process'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:145:in `block (6 levels) in dispatch'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/job_retry.rb:118:in `local'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:144:in `block (5 levels) in dispatch'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/config.rb:39:in `block in <class:Config>'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:139:in `block (4 levels) in dispatch'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:281:in `stats'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:134:in `block (3 levels) in dispatch'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/job_logger.rb:15:in `call'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:133:in `block (2 levels) in dispatch'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/job_retry.rb:85:in `global'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:132:in `block in dispatch'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/job_logger.rb:40:in `prepare'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:131:in `dispatch'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:183:in `block (2 levels) in process'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:182:in `handle_interrupt'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:182:in `process'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:86:in `process_one'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:76:in `run'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/component.rb:10:in `watchdog'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/component.rb:19:in `block in safe_thread'

nat · 2025 年11 月 11 日 04:43

请将值设置为 20。

该作业每 5 分钟运行一次，因此回填率为每 12 分钟运行一次。这里有一些整数除法，当您进行 10 ÷ 12 时，该速率为 0。

RBoy · 2025 年11 月 11 日 04:51

我会留意此事，假设此整数舍入问题将在未来得到处理。

同样的问题是否也会影响 AI 摘要回填每小时主题数上限？

nat · 2025 年11 月 11 日 04:58

每小时 20 个将意味着大约每 5 分钟只有 1 个。这肯定不会达到速率限制。

RBoy · 2025 年11 月 11 日 16:26

Oddly it seems to be hitting the limits. Before starting translations backfill, using discourse AI search/helper bot would work fine (which was the primary use of AI). But now it’s hitting the Gemini Flash 2.5 limits which is is 10 RPM, 250,000 TPM and 250 RPD. From the logs it appears that it’s hitting the 250 RPD limit per day for some reason when backfill is enabled.

Is there a way to debug this to see how many requests it’s sending out or how often it’s sending out requests?

Message

DiscourseAi::Completions::Endpoints::Gemini: status: 429 - body: {
  "error": {
    "code": 429,
    "message": "You exceeded your current quota, please check your plan and billing details. For more information on this error, head to: https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/rate-limits. To monitor your current usage, head to: https://ai.dev/usage?tab=rate-limit. \n* Quota exceeded for metric: generativelanguage.googleapis.com/generate_content_free_tier_requests, limit: 250\nPlease retry in 45.454864372s.",
    "status": "RESOURCE_EXHAUSTED",
    "details": [
      {
        "@type": "type.googleapis.com/google.rpc.Help",
        "links": [
          {
            "description": "Learn more about Gemini API quotas",
            "url": "https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/rate-limits"
          }
        ]
      },
      {
        "@type": "type.googleapis.com/google.rpc.QuotaFailure",
        "violations": [
          {
            "quotaMetric": "generativelanguage.googleapis.com/generate_content_free_tier_requests",
            "quotaId": "GenerateRequestsPerDayPerProjectPerModel-FreeTier",
            "quotaDimensions": {
              "location": "global",
              "model": "gemini-2.5-flash"
            },
            "quotaValue": "250"
          }
        ]
      },
      {
        "@type": "type.googleapis.com/google.rpc.RetryInfo",
        "retryDelay": "45s"
      }
    ]
  }
}


Backtrace

/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/activesupport-8.0.4/lib/active_support/broadcast_logger.rb:218:in `block in dispatch'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/activesupport-8.0.4/lib/active_support/broadcast_logger.rb:217:in `map'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/activesupport-8.0.4/lib/active_support/broadcast_logger.rb:217:in `dispatch'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/activesupport-8.0.4/lib/active_support/broadcast_logger.rb:129:in `error'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/completions/endpoints/base.rb:189:in `block (2 levels) in perform_completion!'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/net-http-0.7.0/lib/net/http.rb:2428:in `block in transport_request'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/net-http-0.7.0/lib/net/http/response.rb:320:in `reading_body'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/net-http-0.7.0/lib/net/http.rb:2425:in `transport_request'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/net-http-0.7.0/lib/net/http.rb:2379:in `request'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/rack-mini-profiler-4.0.1/lib/patches/net_patches.rb:19:in `block in request_with_mini_profiler'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/rack-mini-profiler-4.0.1/lib/mini_profiler/profiling_methods.rb:51:in `step'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/rack-mini-profiler-4.0.1/lib/patches/net_patches.rb:18:in `request_with_mini_profiler'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/completions/endpoints/base.rb:187:in `block in perform_completion!'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/net-http-0.7.0/lib/net/http.rb:1626:in `start'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/net-http-0.7.0/lib/net/http.rb:1064:in `start'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/completions/endpoints/base.rb:140:in `perform_completion!'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/completions/llm.rb:447:in `generate'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/personas/bot.rb:90:in `reply'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/translation/base_translator.rb:53:in `get_translation'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/translation/base_translator.rb:29:in `block in translate'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/translation/base_translator.rb:29:in `map'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/translation/base_translator.rb:29:in `translate'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/lib/translation/topic_localizer.rb:12:in `localize'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/app/jobs/regular/localize_topics.rb:40:in `block (2 levels) in execute'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/activerecord-8.0.4/lib/active_record/relation/delegation.rb:101:in `each'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/activerecord-8.0.4/lib/active_record/relation/delegation.rb:101:in `each'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/app/jobs/regular/localize_topics.rb:38:in `block in execute'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/app/jobs/regular/localize_topics.rb:22:in `each'
/var/www/discourse/plugins/discourse-ai/app/jobs/regular/localize_topics.rb:22:in `execute'
/var/www/discourse/app/jobs/base.rb:318:in `block (2 levels) in perform'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/rails_multisite-7.0.0/lib/rails_multisite/connection_management/null_instance.rb:49:in `with_connection'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/rails_multisite-7.0.0/lib/rails_multisite/connection_management.rb:17:in `with_connection'
/var/www/discourse/app/jobs/base.rb:305:in `block in perform'
/var/www/discourse/app/jobs/base.rb:301:in `each'
/var/www/discourse/app/jobs/base.rb:301:in `perform'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:220:in `execute_job'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:185:in `block (4 levels) in process'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:180:in `traverse'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:183:in `block in traverse'
/var/www/discourse/lib/sidekiq/discourse_event.rb:6:in `call'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:182:in `traverse'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:183:in `block in traverse'
/var/www/discourse/lib/sidekiq/pausable.rb:131:in `call'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:182:in `traverse'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:183:in `block in traverse'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/job/interrupt_handler.rb:9:in `call'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:182:in `traverse'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:183:in `block in traverse'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/metrics/tracking.rb:26:in `track'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/metrics/tracking.rb:134:in `call'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:182:in `traverse'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/middleware/chain.rb:173:in `invoke'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:184:in `block (3 levels) in process'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:145:in `block (6 levels) in dispatch'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/job_retry.rb:118:in `local'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:144:in `block (5 levels) in dispatch'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/config.rb:39:in `block in <class:Config>'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:139:in `block (4 levels) in dispatch'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:281:in `stats'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:134:in `block (3 levels) in dispatch'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/job_logger.rb:15:in `call'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:133:in `block (2 levels) in dispatch'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/job_retry.rb:85:in `global'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:132:in `block in dispatch'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/job_logger.rb:40:in `prepare'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:131:in `dispatch'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:183:in `block (2 levels) in process'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:182:in `handle_interrupt'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:182:in `block in process'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:181:in `handle_interrupt'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:181:in `process'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:86:in `process_one'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/processor.rb:76:in `run'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/component.rb:10:in `watchdog'
/var/www/discourse/vendor/bundle/ruby/3.3.0/gems/sidekiq-7.3.9/lib/sidekiq/component.rb:19:in `block in safe_thread'

nat · 2025 年11 月 11 日 17:19

我不建议使用免费套餐进行翻译。翻译一篇简单的帖子可能会用完免费套餐的所有配额。

您可以使用以下查询来检查是哪个帖子占用了配额：

-- [params]
-- date :start_date = '2025-11-01'

SELECT 
  feature_name,
  created_at,
  post_id,
  response_tokens
FROM 
  ai_api_audit_logs
WHERE 
  post_id IS NOT NULL
  AND created_at > :start_date
  AND (response_tokens IS NULL OR response_tokens != 1)
ORDER BY 
  created_at DESC

由于我仍然可以访问您的网站，因此我在您的数据浏览器中创建了它。确实是一篇帖子耗尽了配额，您可以在您的网站上通过 /admin/plugins/explorer/queries/7 查看它。

RBoy · 2025 年11 月 12 日 00:41

感谢您创建数据查询。我注意到每次翻译大约使用 1400 个 token。考虑到 Gemini 套餐的限制是每分钟 250,000 个 token，且无每日限制——不确定这是否是当前使用的套餐。

根据日志，它正触及每日 250 次请求的限制。有没有办法查看每次翻译使用了多少请求（或者更广泛地说，Discourse 发出的任何 AI 请求使用了多少请求）？

nat · 2025 年11 月 12 日 03:09

不，我们不会追踪请求次数。事实上，我并不建议使用按请求次数限制的免费层级来使用此功能。我建议为翻译功能付费购买密钥，或者直接关闭该功能。

在使用任何AI功能时，我们关注的是令牌使用情况，我们有一个非常好的功能页面可以查看：\u003c/admin/plugins/discourse-ai/ai-usage\u003e，而不是请求数量。我们的系统并不关心请求次数。

RBoy · 2025 年11 月 12 日 03:15

很好的提示，谢谢。我确实看到这个仪表板除了记录令牌外，还记录了总请求数。仪表板新增了按服务（机器人、摘要、翻译等）细分的筛选功能，这非常棒。

我想问的是，如果只翻译了一篇帖子，为什么需要250多次请求？

RBoy · 2025 年11 月 12 日 03:24

我之所以询问请求量，是因为即使是付费套餐，每天也有10,000次请求的限制。考虑到单个帖子转换需要270次请求，我很快就会用完付费套餐的限额。

Falco · 2025 年11 月 12 日 03:26

我们最近几周成功使用了Google Gemini的付费层级，在Meta上翻译了超过一百万条帖子，因此我可以证实它运行得非常好。

RBoy · 2025 年11 月 12 日 03:32

太好了——那么为什么我们的 Discourse 实例在翻译一篇帖子时要使用 270 次请求呢？是不是配置中需要调整某些设置，还是我遗漏了什么？

nat · 2025 年11 月 12 日 03:52

你可以检查你的 /logs 并逐个查看失败的记录，以确定哪些任务出现了问题。你为所有 AI 功能使用了相同的密钥，不仅翻译使用相同的 API，摘要和其他功能也是如此。

RBoy · 2025 年11 月 12 日 04:59

这是一个正确且重要的观点。我将研究如何通过为每个角色或模型使用不同的项目来获得更高的限制，以避免它们相互干扰API速率限制。

我在这里的问题是：在Discourse中，让所有角色或AI服务使用相同的API密钥是否有任何优势？如果某个AI服务使用不同的API密钥，是否会丢失某些上下文或历史记录？还是说它们完全是独立的、互不相关的事务？

Falco · 2025 年11 月 13 日 00:42

您可以创建同一 LLM 的多个实例，并使用不同的 API 密钥。

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