Allow TL4 users to see mod flags?

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In a discussion titled “Allow TL4 users to see mod flags?”, Sapid argues that TL4 users, who already have moderator-like powers (excluding user approval and flag visibility), should be allowed to view moderator flags to better assist in community moderation — especially in closed forums where new users must be manually approved. Sapid notes that TL4 users can move or make posts invisible, but cannot delete them outright, which limits their moderation impact. riking clarifies that TL4 users do not have the ability to delete posts or topics, only to make them invisible via “Take action” > “Make invisible.” This limitation, riking suggests, makes granting flag visibility less useful since TL4 users can’t act on flags by deleting problematic content. Sapid acknowledges this and proposes that backend changes might allow TL4 users to “hide-top” or otherwise handle flagged content more meaningfully — though this would require additional development. The core tension is whether TL4 users’ current permissions justify flag visibility, or whether granting it without full moderation tools (like deletion) would be ineffective or confusing.

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TL4 users are granted moderator powers, minus the ability to approve users and to see moderator flags. The former makes sense to me, but the latter seems like it would help them contribute to the chore of moderating a community much more effectively.

My own use case: I have a closed forum, and users must be approved to join. However, there’s an out-of-band approval process that new members must go through, and it is best if not all moderators can approve users in order to ensure that they have actually gone through the approval process and have been vetted and whatnot. However, the forum still needs people to assist in post management so I’m using TL4 for that. However, they can’t see flags for posts despite having the ability to move, delete, etc.

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I don’t believe TL4 has the ability to delete posts.

No “Delete topic”:

No “Take action” (which hides/deletes the post)

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Given this, it makes sense that they wouldn’t be able to handle flags - they don’t have the authority to actually handle them (deleting the post, etc)

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Ah. That’s true; all they have is “make invisible.”

I suppose tweaking the backend to use some kind of “hide-topic-and-promote-flag” thing based on whether it’s a TL4 looking at the flag or a mod might be a bit too much work.