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היי, שמתי לב שהרבה פונקציות הועברו לאחרונה מ-discourse-translator ל-discourse-core. האם תוכל לשתף קצת הקשר לגבי התוכנית לטווח ארוך מאחורי השינוי הזה?

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ספק ה-AI של Discourse בתוסף התרגום הועבר ל-Discourse AI עצמו. זה מפשט את התצורה בהרבה, ומאפשר לנו לנצל את פונקציונליות השימוש ב-LLM / persona של Discourse AI.

באשר לפונקציות שהועברו לליבת Discourse, כולן היו תכונות ניסיוניות שהיו בפיתוח אינטנסיבי מתחילת השנה. הצוות שלנו החליט לסיים ניסוי זה. זה היה מוצלח ואנחנו רואים בקשות רבות לתמיכה רב-לשונית ממדרגה ראשונה.

מתישהו החודש, אנו אמורים לשתף הודעה על תכונה זו שעובדת בצורה הטובה ביותר עם Discourse AI.


התכונות העיקריות ב-Discourse Translator עדיין יהיו בתוסף (ראה OP).

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Please, take in consideration adding DeepL to Discourse Translator and/or Discourse AI (DeepL is pioneer on AI).

Their translations are so good and makes a real difference:

This image shows the performance of various AI translation models in translating English/Chinese → Japanese, Japanese → English, Japanese → Chinese, and Chinese → English using BLEU scores. DeepL consistently outperforms other models in each translation direction. (Captioned by AI)

Love your cat, nat! :grinning_cat:


[EDIT] Just sharing more data here

Which machine translation provider do the world’s leading language services companies (LSCs) trust to deliver accuracy and efficiency?

The answer, in a new survey of 127 language companies across 28 countries, is clear and resounding: DeepL.

Blind tests also found that DeepL’s translations require fewer edits than competitors, with Google Translate needing 2x more edits and ChatGPT-4 needing 3x more edits to achieve the same quality.

In fact, in the 2024 study conducted by Forrester Consulting, “The Total Economic Impact™ of DeepL”, it was discovered that DeepL reduced translation time by 90% and cut translation workloads by 50%—resulting in a 345% ROI.

Its quality is superior because DeepL is created by the people who made Linguee, a dictionary that uses human translations.

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There are updates to how translations work on Discourse. For more information, please check out the announcement at Content Localization and Automatic Translations for Your Community.

This translator plugin is unrelated to the announcement and will still be maintained, but it would be unlikely that we add new features to this plugin.

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When it tries to translate from other language to Chinese (zh_CN) with libretranslate, there is a mistake: The translator is unable to translate this post’s content (en) to your language (zh_CN), which i guess is because the Chinese language code in libretranslate is zh_Hant which is not matched by zh_CN. How can I fix this problem?

The description of this plugin is a little thin.

I’m wondering about a situation where a forum was primarily English. Could this plugin be set up so that the only translation happening was non-English (of supported languages) into English?

I’d suggest changing horses and looking at the new way translation is done in Discourse, vs this older plugin which will not be getting any new features. See Nat’s reply two posts up. You can see how well it works here on meta, and by spinning up a hosting trial.

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Thank you for your response. Does this imply that the new iteration can supersede the existing one, offering greater robustness? Furthermore, are users presented with the option to choose between the two, with the new plugin being the more strongly recommended choice?

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Yes that’s right.

However it is best to choose just one or the other, not both. We should avoid having to let our community users choose and stick to just one user experience - preferably the new automatic translations since the other is deprecating.

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thanks for your quick reply, the newer one is more friendly and smoothly, and your reply gives clearer info for selection.

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Hello! I expect the costs of running an LLM (for use with Discourse AI) are greater than those of using a specialised translation API (or hosting LibreTranslate).

Do we have any assurance that, even without new features, this plugin will still be maintained for bugs/security? Or should we move to the LLM way? We really don’t want to use Big Tech models, and hosting LLMs is not super cheap :frowning:

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You should switch to Discourse AI for automatic translation when you’re able to, we’ll still fix bugs and security issues with this plugin but it’s no longer the preferred method.

Automatic translation using AI is the more robust feature now, as it automatically provides translations (rather than on-demand) and includes categories, tags, and can provide translated content to search engines.

There are some models available that will do a fine job of translating that will likely cost less than hosting LibreTranslate indefinitely on a VPS. If you get 10k posts a year it can cost less than $10. Others have had success with Deepseek and Mistral (and other models via OpenRouter) if you want to avoid the larger corporate providers.

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You could also self-host your own model (Gemini or via Ollama) if you’d want to bring down costs on a server with good specs and no need for external APIs.

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