GNU Taler로 FLOSS 봉사 활동 보상하기

Cross-posted from TALER ICH

Have you heard of Local Exchange Systems (LES) or Time Banks? Those community networks allow their members to receive some tokens instead of money for the service they propose. Those tokens can then be used in return to access to other services.

GNU Taler could be used as a protocol for implementing such concepts in a federated, international, interoperable way. Think of the “Like” button in most social networks. What if Taler was another option to reward publications, contributions or just to support people in general?

For instance, it could first be implemented (first as experimental plugins) :

  • on Discourse;
  • on GitLab/Forgejo;
  • on Liberapay, Ko-fi, Tipeee…;
  • on any other platform suitable for it!

Superficially, I feel like it basically requires to:
1 - interface Taler Wallet with personal accounts, thus in the user profile of the platforms
2 - implement the Reward button as a proper API call to a Taler Backend.

Is anyone already working on a similar project?

Also, FIY:

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You’ve posted in Marketplace. Are you putting up funding for this? If so what is your budget?

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There’s an open call by NLNet ongoing. Its grants span from 5k to 50k€.

So come back here if you win the grant and take a small % for facilitating?

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I’m sorry but I can’t apply for it since I’m part of the NGI TALER consortium.

So who in this community would qualify then?

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누군가 이 주제를 #contribute:feature로 옮기면 문제가 해결되나요? 보상에 관심이 있는 사람이 있을 수 있어요.

초기 단계에서 개발자가 크게 개입하지 않아도 되는 비개발 업무가 상당한 것으로 보입니다.

이 주제는 일반적인 #marketplace나 Contribute > Feature 범위를 벗어납니다.

누군가가 나서서 컨소시엄과 소통하고, 신뢰할 수 있는 계획을 세우며, 제안서를 작성하고, 기능 명세를 작성한 후, 보조금을 확보하고, 필요 시 해당 작업을 수행할 수 있는 신뢰할 수 있고 정립된 기관을 구해야 합니다.

추정 작업을 제외하면 위 내용들은 모두 개발 업무가 아니지만, 이러한 노고를 위해 일정 비율의 수익을 가져가는 것은 합리적입니다.

이러한 초기 업무는 대부분의 개별 개발자의 전문 분야나 역량, 집중 영역이 아니므로, 많은 개발자들이 시간을 투입하거나 이를 수행할 준비가 되어 있거나 적임자가 아닐 것이라고 생각합니다.

만약 작업 완수를 통해 상당한 개인적 이익을 얻는다고 보는, 매우 열정적인 개발자가 있다면 가능할 것입니다. 커뮤니티에 그런 사람이 있다고는 생각하지 않지만, 틀렸다면 기꺼이 인정하겠습니다 - 만약 그런 사람이 있다면, 도전해 보세요!

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That goes for 50% of the posts in marketplace, most because of the very low available budget. Now this is a more complex project but at least there is a normal budget available.

Since when is Marketplace only targeted at individual developers?

Long story short, I don’t see why you are so negative about this. GNU TALER is an interesting and commendable project and it would be cool if there were some integrations between it and Discourse.

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Are you volunteering? :wink:

I might very well be, although probably not this quarter. And since it’s a paid project, I don’t see this as volunteering :wink:

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It was raised in the past and garnered no public interest:

I’m not being negative, just suggesting a way to get this kind of thing off the ground.

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You may not think you are being negative, but apparently I am not the only one thinking so, @Ada_L’s offer is much more specific and approachable that my proposal (where I suggested various approaches). I think Ada’s proposal is simpler and it is very easy to implement a reward button with a Taler payment link (it’s just a payto: URI that people can easily add to their custom_fields, and work from there.)

I do not understand why you think this is difficult:

Since more than a thousand free software projects have been doing just that for the last 6 years and ripped off the benefits in the order of dozens of millions of euros. I think you lack insight into the European Commission’s Next Generation Internet program, and especially the very low overhead cascading funding that goes with NGI Zero (and NGI TALER). Preparation work for such a proposal is about two days work (there’s a form, and you should come up with milestones), so it’s not much difficulty “engaging with the consortium”. And I repeat that it would be awesome for The Pavilion to take this up and implement GNU Taler payments for Discourse. It can be done in several steps over a year or two, and you can get up to 500,000 € for this.

My special interest would be Discourse ↔ Solidus integration but, as you noted, there was not much traction so far.

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It’s partly because I misread and then misinterpreted a post in haste :blush: . I’m all good now ! You are absolutely right, these are very good sources for support and it would be great for the platform.

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If you, or others at The Pavilion or elsewhere, want to tackle any of this, I recommend posting to https://ich.taler.net/ and try to work collectively in a way that will enable good collaboration between Discourse and other integrations that TALER may be useful to. @Ada_L and I can help you make a proposal stronger.

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