비공개 주제 생성 알림

[ondrej]

Not sure if this is by design but it seems illogical to me.

If a user is watching a certain tag or category they are notified when staff create an unlisted topic in that category.* This defeats the point of having an ‘unlisted’ topic. I understand that one can access unlisted topics with a link but a notification to the topic should not be sent to users.

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[Lilly (Lillian)]

i don’t believe this is expected behavior, and i reproduced this on my forum.

1. use a test user account to set a category to watching
2. use a staff account to create a new topic in that category and toggle it as unlisted before posting.
3. login as the test user and notification badge and link appears in avatar user menu notifications tab.

[maiki]

Wow, that’s not optimal!

Thanks for the report and repro, @ondrej and @Lilly!

[anon65426961]

Oh no, seems like this would be a problem if staff thought creating an unlisted post in general category would be invisible, but is not! Checked and same thing happened when I tried this too.

Can understand why no one noticed this before, after all there is a separate locked category that can be used for staff meetings.

Unlisted threads aren’t really at all secure if anyone has the link they can access those unless they’re in a locked category. Anyway would make sense to not send out notifications to everyone about making an unlisted thread if people want to do that and only share link with some non-staff folks.

[hello-smile6 (9pfs)]

@anon65426961

Unlisted threads aren’t really at all secure

Since topic IDs are sequential, a user could theoretically look for gaps in topic lists where a specific topic ID is missing, then discover unlisted topics that way (assuming that topics in private categories and personal messages are rare enough)

[supermathie (Michael Brown)]

Unlisted topics were never intended to be secure.

They’re intended to be “lightweight hidden”.

[maiki]

Correct, this is behavior runs against the usefulness of unlisted topics, and is a valid bug. But it is not a security concern.

I use unlisted pages for leaving people quick links and will delete it a day later. Or as part of an augmented reality game…

This bug is really dramatic for my use cases!

[hello-smile6 (9pfs)]

Would this be a duplicate of this topic?

Newly-created "unlisted" Topics send "new topic" Notifications

Perhaps the title is rather verbose, but I am assuming that this is unintended. As a staff member (or a TL4 user), I can create topics as unlisted by default (rather than having to create the topic and then unlist it). Since this is available prior to posting, I would imagine that the intended usage (when doing prior to topic creation) would perhaps be rough drafting, or having the opportunity to double-check markdown prior to public viewing. Perhaps an intended usage would be for the topic its…

[anon65426961]

Looks like, and here’s another one!

Fresh unlisted topics get emailed to 'watch first post'

I think this is a bug related to behaviour that others have noted… Situation: Have global notifications category that only admin/management can post in, set every user to watch first post to ensure emails go out. If I create a topic toggled as unlisted (from topic create, before it’s ever made public), it still sends email notifications. The goal is to have the team wiki the announcement before it’s published per se, but sending it out a rough draft is a bit annoying. Alternatively we can hav…

And here listed as solution to not send notifications is incorrectly listed to set as unlisted before posting is supposed to not notify the watchers:

Unlisted topic is visible in notification popup if a category is watched?

I’m a bit confused here. If I recall correctly, the toggle I shared above was added to address your exact complaint. It allows you to create a topic that is unlisted when it is created, thus preventing notifications. It’s not a workaround… Edit: Here’s the topic:

[hello-smile6 (9pfs)]

I think I found yet another duplicate.

Watching categories notifies you of unlisted topics

[image] So I am watching every category and I am notified of an unlisted category. Unlisted topics are not supposed to be shown to the public, but it is in this case for some reason. It had reminded me of this hidden topic which is not supposed to be shown to the public.

[anon65426961]

This looks to be when the feature was first added in July 2016 by Alan Tan @tgxworld:

Unlisted topics: Making them more useful

Ability to toggle a topic unlisted has been added to the gear icon and is only available when creating a new topic. [image]

[JammyDodger]

죄송하지만 이는 버그가 아니며, 의도된 동작입니다. 비공개(Unlisted) 주제로 생성하면 주제 목록과 검색 목록에서 해당 주제가 제거되지만, 해당 카테고리(또는 태그)를 시청 중(Watching)이거나 첫 게시물을 시청 중(Watching First Post)인 사용자에게는 여전히 알림이 전송됩니다.

사전 공개하고 싶지 않은 주제를 생성하려면 권한이 제어된 카테고리(예: 스태프)를 사용하고, 게시가 준비되면 수동으로 카테고리를 변경하거나, 주제 타이머의 예약 게시(Schedule Publishing) 기능을 사용하는 것이 좋습니다. 또한 공유 초안(Shared Draft) 기능도 활용할 수 있습니다.

이 문제는 비교적 자주 발생하므로, Contribute > Feature 주제로 정리해 두는 것이 좋을 것 같습니다.

[JammyDodger]

이 주제를 마무리하고, 기존 Contribute > Feature 토픽으로 논의를 유도하겠습니다.

새로 생성된 "비공개" 토픽에서 "새 토픽" 알림이 전송됩니다

제목이 다소 길지만, 이는 의도된 것이 아니라고 가정하고 있습니다. 스태프(또는 TL4 사용자)라면, 게시 전에 주제를 기본적으로 '비공개’로 설정할 수 있어야 합니다(주제를 먼저 생성한 후 비공개로 설정하는 번거로움 없이). 이 기능이 게시 전에 사용 가능한 것이므로, 주제 생성 전에 사용하는 의도된 용도는 아마도 초안 작성이나 공개 전에 마크다운을 다시 확인하는 기회일 것입니다. 의도된 용도로는 주제 자체가 직접 링크 전용으로 사용되도록 하는 것도 있을 수 있습니다. 버그에 대한 명확한 설명: 사용자가 특정 카테고리에서 새 주제가 생성될 때 자동 알림을 받도록 설정을 해두었고, 스태프가 새 주제를 생성할 때(게시 전에 수동으로 '비공개’로 설정) 해당 주제를 게시하면, 해당 사용자에게 새 주제가 게시되었다는 직접 알림이 전송됩니다(일부 상황에서는 ‘비공개’ 설정이 거의 무의미해집니다). 이는 일부 사용자에게 영향을 줄 수 있는 사소한(일부 상황에서는 외형적인) 불편함입니다…