Fehler bei KI-Übersetzungen

RBoy · 8. Mai 2026 um 13:01

Ich habe eine Reihe dieser Einträge in den Logs bemerkt:

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Falco · 8. Mai 2026 um 13:08

Dann müssen Sie prüfen, was der Beitrag 120 enthält (einfach zu /p/120 navigieren) und dann nachschauen, welche Antwort das LLM gab, als es versucht hat, dies zu übersetzen (prüfen Sie die Tabelle ai_api_audit_logs).

RBoy · 8. Mai 2026 um 13:17

Wenn ich die Audit-Logs mit dieser Abfrage durchsehe:

SELECT 
  feature_name,
  created_at,
  post_id,
  response_tokens
FROM 
  ai_api_audit_logs
WHERE 
  post_id IS NOT NULL
  AND created_at > :start_date
  AND (response_tokens IS NULL OR response_tokens != 1)
ORDER BY 
  created_at DESC

Enthalten die Ergebnisse für diesen Post um den im Log angegebenen Zeitstempel herum nichts.
Gibt es noch etwas anderes, das ich prüfen sollte?

Falco · 8. Mai 2026 um 13:19

Ja, Sie entfernen den gesamten response_tokens-Abschnitt aus der WHERE-Klausel.

RBoy · 8. Mai 2026 um 17:03

Okay, zunächst habe ich mich vorher vertippt, es ist keine PM. Ich habe bemerkt, dass du /p/120 erwähnt hast, ich aber /t/120 verwendet habe.

/p/120 verweist auf https://discussion.mcebuddy2x.com/t/63/1

Danach habe ich die aktualisierte Abfrage auf der Tabelle ausgeführt, aber ich sehe keinen Eintrag zum Zeitstempel aus den Logs → Do 23:25 Uhr

Ich sehe nur diese Einträge in der Tabelle, die dem Zeitstempel am nächsten liegen:

feature_name	created_at	post	response_tokens
translation	2026-05-07T23:26:15.471Z	`https://discussion.mcebuddy2x.com/t/5897/1`	2423
translation	2026-05-07T23:11:23.504Z	`https://discussion.mcebuddy2x.com/t/5896/2`	425

Keine der obigen Post-IDs entspricht der Post-ID im Fehlerprotokoll.

Die einzige Referenz auf diese Post-ID sehe ich viel später in den Logs

feature_name	created_at	post	response_tokens
translation	2026-05-08T03:10:18.214Z	`https://discussion.mcebuddy2x.com/t/63/1`	0

Falco · 8. Mai 2026 um 17:35

Antwort-Token sind für das Debugging unbrauchbar, Sie müssen die Rohantwort anzeigen.

RBoy · 8. Mai 2026 um 19:25

Das Problem ist, dass ich keine Antwort mit demselben Zeitstempel wie im Log und der Post-ID sehe.

Der nächste Daten-Dump, den ich für diese Post-ID sehe, ist etwa eine Stunde später und enthält Folgendes:

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Das Problem ist, dass ich keine Antwort mit demselben Zeitstempel wie im Log und der Post-ID sehe.

Der nächste Daten-Dump, den ich für diese Post-ID sehe, ist etwa eine Stunde später und enthält Folgendes:

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event: error
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Falco · 8. Mai 2026 um 19:53

Die Reasoning-Token verbrauchen alle Token am max_tokens-Abschlusslimit. Ein weiterer Grund, warum wir Reasoning nicht für Übersetzungen verwenden.

Wir hatten eine Site-Einstellung, um damit umzugehen

Aber wir haben sie entfernt in

github.com/discourse/discourse

DEV: Update prompts for translations (#38965)

main ← prompt-updates

merged 03:30PM - 30 Mar 26 UTC

nattsw

+36 -80

This PR updates the system prompts for the post and topic title translators to p…roduce more natural, idiomatic output. The previous prompts optimised for accuracy, which led to translations that were technically correct but read like machine translation being overly literal, sometimes the wrong register, and occasionally picking the wrong sense of an ambiguous word.

Thema		Antworten	Aufrufe
Discourse AI Failing to translate large number of posts and topics Support content-localization , ai	8	231	10. November 2025
AI Translation skips Portuguese (pt) locale - post translated to all languages except Portuguese Bug ai , dynaloc	25	206	22. April 2026
Error when translate post by ai （Job exception: undefined method `strip' for an instance of DiscourseAi::Completions::StructuredOutput Support ai , dynaloc	6	147	8. Dezember 2025
AI translation backfill not working after all settings configured Support ai , content-localization	35	639	17. November 2025
The usage problem after using AI translation Support dynaloc , ai	7	177	15. Juli 2025

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