Errores de traducción con IA

RBoy · 8 Mayo, 2026 13:01

He notado varios de estos en los registros:

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DiscourseAi::Translation: Error al traducir el mensaje 120 a da: Validación fallida: Raw no puede estar vacío, Cooked no puede estar vacío

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Falco · 8 Mayo, 2026 13:08

Entonces, necesitas verificar qué contiene el post 120 (simplemente navega a /p/120) y luego revisar cuál fue la respuesta del LLM cuando intentó traducirlo (consulta la tabla ai_api_audit_logs).

RBoy · 8 Mayo, 2026 13:17

Cuando miro los registros de auditoría usando esta consulta

SELECT 
  feature_name,
  created_at,
  post_id,
  response_tokens
FROM 
  ai_api_audit_logs
WHERE 
  post_id IS NOT NULL
  AND created_at > :start_date
  AND (response_tokens IS NULL OR response_tokens != 1)
ORDER BY 
  created_at DESC

No hay nada en los resultados para esa publicación alrededor de la fecha y hora mostradas en los registros.
¿Hay algo más en lo que debería estar mirando?

Falco · 8 Mayo, 2026 13:19

Sí, elimina toda la cláusula response_tokens del WHERE.

RBoy · 8 Mayo, 2026 17:03

Vale, primero cometí un error tipográfico antes; no es un PM. Noté que dijiste usar /p/120 y yo usé /t/120.

/p/120 apunta a https://discussion.mcebuddy2x.com/t/63/1

Luego ejecuté la consulta actualizada en la tabla y no veo ninguna entrada en la marca de tiempo de los registros → Th 11:25 pm

Solo veo estas entradas en la tabla que están más cercanas a la marca de tiempo:

feature_name	created_at	post	response_tokens
translation	2026-05-07T23:26:15.471Z	`https://discussion.mcebuddy2x.com/t/5897/1`	2423
translation	2026-05-07T23:11:23.504Z	`https://discussion.mcebuddy2x.com/t/5896/2`	425

Ninguno de los IDs de las publicaciones anteriores coincide con el ID de la publicación en el registro de errores.

La única vez que veo una referencia a ese ID de publicación es mucho más tarde en los registros

feature_name	created_at	post	response_tokens
translation	2026-05-08T03:10:18.214Z	`https://discussion.mcebuddy2x.com/t/63/1`	0

Falco · 8 Mayo, 2026 17:35

Los tokens de respuesta no son útiles para depurar; necesitas mostrar la respuesta sin procesar.

RBoy · 8 Mayo, 2026 19:25

El problema es que no veo ninguna respuesta con la misma marca de tiempo que el registro y el ID de la publicación.

La siguiente descarga de datos que veo para ese ID de publicación es aproximadamente una hora después y contiene esto:

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event: error
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Falco · 8 Mayo, 2026 19:53

Los tokens de razonamiento están agotando todos los tokens del límite de completado max_tokens. Otra razón por la que no utilizamos razonamiento para las traducciones.

Tuvimos una configuración del sitio para abordar esto

Pero la eliminamos en

github.com/discourse/discourse

DEV: Update prompts for translations (#38965)

main ← prompt-updates

merged 03:30PM - 30 Mar 26 UTC

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This PR updates the system prompts for the post and topic title translators to p…roduce more natural, idiomatic output. The previous prompts optimised for accuracy, which led to translations that were technically correct but read like machine translation being overly literal, sometimes the wrong register, and occasionally picking the wrong sense of an ambiguous word.

RBoy · 9 Mayo, 2026 13:45

Gracias por la actualización. He cambiado a un modelo de 3b sin razonamiento para las traducciones. Veamos cómo va.

RBoy · 10 Mayo, 2026 06:18

Después de cambiar al modelo Ollama 3.1 3B, que no utiliza razonamiento, ahora estoy viendo un error totalmente diferente:

DiscourseAi::Completions::Endpoints::OpenAi: status: 400 - body: {“error”:{“message”:“Este modelo no admite el formato de respuesta json_schema. Consulte los modelos compatibles en Structured Outputs - GroqDocs”}}

Estoy un poco perdido sobre cómo proceder. ¿Qué modelo es adecuado para las traducciones en Discourse?

Falco · 10 Mayo, 2026 11:25

Necesitas un modelo con soporte para salidas estructuradas, que es básicamente cualquier modelo de última generación lanzado recientemente.

Tema		Respuestas	Vistas
Discourse AI Failing to translate large number of posts and topics Support content-localization , ai	8	245	10 Noviembre 2025
Error when translate post by ai （Job exception: undefined method `strip' for an instance of DiscourseAi::Completions::StructuredOutput Support ai , dynaloc	6	156	8 Diciembre 2025
AI translation backfill not working after all settings configured Support ai , content-localization	35	704	17 Noviembre 2025
AI Translation skips Portuguese (pt) locale - post translated to all languages except Portuguese Bug ai , dynaloc	25	254	22 Abril 2026
The usage problem after using AI translation Support dynaloc , ai	7	194	15 Julio 2025

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