A respect system to encourage human interaction

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Andrew_Rowe proposes a “respect system” to encourage human interaction and deter AI spam, suggesting that real users gain respect votes while AI accounts are downvoted. This system would leverage Discourse’s workflows and gamification plugins, where a user’s voting power scales with their respect score. The goal is to relieve administrative workload by creating a self-policing mechanism, though Andrew notes that spammers already game current trust systems by using AI to generate content and upvote it via sock puppets.

NateDhaliwal suggests integrating the Post Voting plugin but raises concerns about AI accounts reaching high trust levels (TL3). They propose changing promotion criteria to focus on points collected, which would shift the forum toward aggressive gamification. While this might encourage high-quality, non-AI content, it represents a fundamental change to the system.

nickdb argues that such a system faces a fundamental challenge: many humans now use AI to formulate thoughts, often unaware that the content is digitally processed. If users become willing proxies for AI, the respect system fails. Furthermore, nickdb believes a shared value system is impossible in large, diverse online communities, making self-policing ineffective.

Ed_S views this as an unwinnable arms race, noting that humans already engage in voting rings and sock puppetry. As AI agents become more sophisticated, they will likely adopt these tactics. Ed suggests that countermeasures should be evaluated based on cost-effectiveness and references Slashdot’s metamoderation scheme as a historical example of tackling similar issues.

Finally, merefield wonders if community network visualization tools could be extended to identify “cabals” or coordinated voting groups, adding another layer to detecting manipulation.

The other topic which asked community administrators if they allow AI responses got me to thinking. With the new workflows feature and a few other goodies like a customized gamification plugin, it wouldn’t be hard to knock something together where real humans get respect votes from other users and AI gets down-voted. The more respect a user has, the more powerful the vote they cast, up or down.

The trust system built into Discourse is basically the same thing

I’ve seen first hand how the spammers try to game the system. They post an AI topic, then up-vote their own topic using another account. The AI spams itself :rofl:

Would my ‘respect’ system just get gamed or do you think it could self-police the forum and encourage human interaction while relieving administrative workload?

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Seems like the Post Voting plugin would work really well with this.

I wonder, have there been AI-powered accounts so much so that they like posts, intersct and reach TL3? Because then that could be a problem.

Perhaps then the solution is to change promotion criteria to amount of points collected. But that will be a fundamental shift in the whole system. It would promote a more aggressive gamification (literally) of the forum to earn points. But you know, aggressively posting good, non-AI content could also be a good thing…

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The challenge is more humans are using an AI to form their thoughts. We see this in the growing numbers of people who cut and paste a topic into the composer - I actually have a bot that can query this metric so it adds another dimension to check to the “AI-ness” of a post.

When your humans become willing proxies and believe the digitally processed content they provide is their own, then a respect system will fall apart.

You need a common foundation, or value system, across all members in a forum for this to work, imo that just isn’t possible in any large group of people, let alone an online community.

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I think sock puppets and voting rings are already a thing that humans do - and will inevitably become a thing the agents do, if they find it helps their goals.

I think it’s an arms race, and therefore not winnable, and it’s a matter of economics as to which countermeasures are worthwhile.

I might previously have mentioned Slashdot’s metamoderation scheme - I was always pretty impressed by that. It’s probably not too unlike a voting plugin, but possibly with extra mechanisms. Slashdot was an early popular site which needed to tackle these issues - it’s a bit of history we can learn from, if we so choose.

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I wonder if I can extend this

to help identify cabals …

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