شكراً جزيلاً لـ @nat على التحقيق في هذا الأمر، وللجميع للعلم، فإن ai_translation_backfill_hourly_rate يختلف عن ai_summary_backfill_hourly_rate وكنت أخلط بينهما.
@nat يبدو أن ملء الترجمات ممكّن الآن، أرى هذا في لوحة التحكم
تقدم الترجمة
تم تكوين إعدادات الملء لترجمة جميع المشاركات بعد 25 يونيو 1998 - يُقدر أن يستغرق هذا 10 ساعات.
ولكن في السجلات أرى هذا الخطأ
رسالة (تم الإبلاغ عن 9 نسخ)
استثناء المهمة: حد
تتبع الأخطاء
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Oddly it seems to be hitting the limits. Before starting translations backfill, using discourse AI search/helper bot would work fine (which was the primary use of AI). But now it’s hitting the Gemini Flash 2.5 limits which is is 10 RPM, 250,000 TPM and 250 RPD. From the logs it appears that it’s hitting the 250 RPD limit per day for some reason when backfill is enabled.
Is there a way to debug this to see how many requests it’s sending out or how often it’s sending out requests?
Message
DiscourseAi::Completions::Endpoints::Gemini: status: 429 - body: {
"error": {
"code": 429,
"message": "You exceeded your current quota, please check your plan and billing details. For more information on this error, head to: https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/rate-limits. To monitor your current usage, head to: https://ai.dev/usage?tab=rate-limit. \n* Quota exceeded for metric: generativelanguage.googleapis.com/generate_content_free_tier_requests, limit: 250\nPlease retry in 45.454864372s.",
"status": "RESOURCE_EXHAUSTED",
"details": [
{
"@type": "type.googleapis.com/google.rpc.Help",
"links": [
{
"description": "Learn more about Gemini API quotas",
"url": "https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/rate-limits"
}
]
},
{
"@type": "type.googleapis.com/google.rpc.QuotaFailure",
"violations": [
{
"quotaMetric": "generativelanguage.googleapis.com/generate_content_free_tier_requests",
"quotaId": "GenerateRequestsPerDayPerProjectPerModel-FreeTier",
"quotaDimensions": {
"location": "global",
"model": "gemini-2.5-flash"
},
"quotaValue": "250"
}
]
},
{
"@type": "type.googleapis.com/google.rpc.RetryInfo",
"retryDelay": "45s"
}
]
}
}
Backtrace
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لا أوصي باستخدام الطبقة المجانية للترجمات. يمكن أن يؤدي ترجمة منشور بسيط إلى استنفاد الحصة بالكامل في الطبقة المجانية.
يمكنك استخدام الاستعلام التالي للتحقق من المنشور الذي يستهلك الحصة:
-- [params]
-- date :start_date = '2025-11-01'
SELECT
feature_name,
created_at,
post_id,
response_tokens
FROM
ai_api_audit_logs
WHERE
post_id IS NOT NULL
AND created_at > :start_date
AND (response_tokens IS NULL OR response_tokens != 1)
ORDER BY
created_at DESC
نظرًا لأنه لا يزال لدي وصول إلى موقعك، فقد أنشأته في مستكشف البيانات الخاص بك. إنه حقًا منشور استنفد الحصة، يمكنك رؤيته على موقعك على /admin/plugins/explorer/queries/7.
شكرًا لإنشاء استعلام البيانات. أرى أنه يستخدم حوالي 1400 رمز لكل ترجمة. نظرًا لأن حدود طبقة Gemini هي 250,000 رمز في الدقيقة دون حد يومي - لست متأكدًا إذا كان هذا هو الحد المقصود.
وفقًا للسجلات، فإنه يتجاوز الحد اليومي البالغ 250 طلبًا. هل هناك طريقة للتحقق من عدد الطلبات المستخدمة لكل ترجمة (أو لأي من طلبات الذكاء الاصطناعي المرسلة بواسطة discourse)؟
لا، نحن لا نتتبع الطلبات. في الواقع، لا أنصح باستخدام الطبقة المجانية التي تُقيّد بالطلبات لهذا الميزة على الإطلاق. أقترح دفع مقابل مفتاح للترجمة أو إيقاف الميزة.
عند استخدام أي ميزات ذكاء اصطناعي، ما يهمنا هو استخدام الرموز، ولدينا ميزة ممتازة لهذا الغرض في <admin/plugins/discourse-ai/ai-usage>، وليس عدد الطلبات. نظامنا لا يهتم بذلك.
ممتاز، شكراً لك. أرى أن لوحة التحكم هذه تسجل إجمالي الطلبات بالإضافة إلى الرموز. من الرائع أن لوحة التحكم أضافت مرشحًا لتفصيل ذلك حسب الخدمة (البوت، الملخص، الترجمات، إلخ).
سألت عن الطلبات لأن حتى الطبقة المدفوعة لها حد أقصى يبلغ 10,000 طلب في اليوم. وبالنظر إلى أن انتقال منشور واحد يستغرق 270 طلبًا، فسوف يتجاوز الحدود المدفوعة بسرعة قبل أن أدرك ذلك.
لقد نجحنا في استخدام المستوى المدفوع من Google Gemini لترجمة أكثر من مليون منشور هنا على ميتا في الأسابيع الماضية، لذلك يمكنني أن أؤكد أنه يعمل بشكل جيد.
يمكنك التحقق من ملفات /logs والتنقل بين الأعطال لرؤية الوظائف التي تفشل فيها. أنت تستخدم نفس المفتاح لجميع ميزات الذكاء الاصطناعي، وليس فقط الترجمة تستخدم نفس واجهة برمجة التطبيقات، بل هناك أيضًا الملخصات وغيرها.
نقطة صحيحة ورائعة. سأرى كيف يمكنني الحصول على حدود أعلى، ربما باستخدام مشاريع مختلفة لكل شخصية أو نموذج بحيث لا تتداخل حدود معدلات واجهة برمجة التطبيقات الخاصة بكل منها.
سؤالتي هنا: هل هناك أي ميزة في استخدام جميع الشخصيات أو خدمات الذكاء الاصطناعي في discourse لنفس مفتاح واجهة برمجة التطبيقات؟ هل يحتفظ بمعلومات سياقية أو تاريخية تُفقد إذا استخدمت خدمة ذكاء اصطناعي مفتاحًا مختلفًا مقارنةً إذا استخدموا جميعًا نفس المفتاح؟ أم أن الأمر كليًا معاملات مستقلة عن بعضها البعض؟
