Make a multi-language forum

multi-lingual

(Matthieu) #16

Yes but very few people goes in the setting.

Maybe a complementary option would be to add a field at the sign up to let user specify its preferred language.


(gingerling) #17

Hi, I am interested in how this is going.

It seems to me the most obvious usage is to

  • Have a tag for the languages
  • Keep the categories the same
  • Use “reply as linked” to create English version of a question not yet answered in English (requires a translator)
  • Use a link in the text to refer to and translate an already answered question (requires a translator)

It strikes me that this is related to This topic about marking posts as SOLVED because the translator should not have to search too much, only translate.

I would be interested to hammer out a process for this (here is an example of a process) which can be recycled. I could make a diagram :smiley:


(Matthieu) #18

For me the use of tags allows having multiple language so you can directly have multiple content in the same topic.


(gingerling) #19

sorry I posted in wrong place, moved it now


(Simon Cossar) #20

We are working on something like this here: http://forum.bookswithwings.org/ It is just getting started. There is not much to see yet.

We are going to try to have Dari (Persian) and English of the same forum. My hope is that we can create a ‘translation’ tag, and use that in direct replies to posts. The translations will be set as wikis to be edited by the community.

We have some issues to work out with mixing left-to-right and right-to-left layouts in the same forum.


(Tobias Eigen) #21

What I’d love to see is facebook-like inline translation of posts, so users can choose their locale (ideally at signup) and then translate in line when they see something in another language that they want translated.

Something like this was built but doesn’t seem to be working/active.

https://meta.discourse.org/t/translator-automatic-post-translation/18756?u=tobiaseigen&source_topic_id=18501

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(Erlend Sogge Heggen) #22

Seems we have some very similar ideas on this, especially after the advent of tags. I wrote this in a separate topic but I might as well close that and repost it here for continuity.


Continuing the discussion from Early preview of the new tagging plugin:

I just had a thought. What if a (special) tag could be set as a site-wide filter, invisible as anything other than a setting. The setting being your standard language selection menu in a corner somewhere:

Here’s how you would use tags on a multi-lingual site

Imagine a website with two languages: English and French.

The site’s default language is English. As a result, by default, all new topics are tagged lang:en, and you can only see topics tagged lang:en. This isn’t a tag you can find and select from the taglist yourself.

If you change the site language to French however, two things happen:

  • Any new topic you make while the French language setting is turned on will be tagged with lang:fr.
  • You will only be able to see topics tagged lang:fr

Note: This is dependent on tags being possible to use in conjunction with categories as an added filter as opposed to the one-or-the-other situation we have right now.

That’s it. No need to make new categories for each new language, e.g. like on forum.topeleven.com. (provided category names can be translated).

I think this could be a very powerful complement to the existing work that came out of the “Multiple languages on single discourse site” debate.


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(Erlend Sogge Heggen) #23

With requirements like these in mind…

… the only other feasible solution I can imagine would be if Discourse made it possible for multisite instances to communicate with one another, i.e. very much like how StackExchange works.


(Simon Cossar) #24

What if all languages were together on the same page, but the user could expand and collapse posts based on their language tag? So if a user selected ‘German’ they would see full posts that were in German or had been translated to German. All other posts would be displayed as titles.

There could also be a tag for posts that are in need of translation.

It would be nice to have the option to create translations through different methods. Machine translation of Persian and Arabic doesn’t seem to be very good


(gingerling) #25

This sounds really ideal to me. It would be perfect for us, and would allow the between-langs translation. Is there any way this would get built?


(Ted Strauss) #26

@erlend_sh
As someone who was involved in that earlier debate, I am really excited to see this level of UX sophistication being applied to this concept.
I love the idea of language tags to identify the language of the post, but I think the default behavior of such a site should be multi-lingual. All posts are displayed for all users by default, and users could choose to mute out posts of one language or another. But it wouldn’t make sense to mute out a langauge in my context (montreal) because people want to be able to converse in both languages interchangably.
The question of a translation feature - automatic or contributed - i think is separate but related. The best UX for post translation i’ve seen is Facebook’s: a small ‘see translation’ link underneath a post that displays an automatic translation when clicked. I don’t know if that would make sense for a multi-lingual Discourse.


(Erlend Sogge Heggen) #27

Sure, show-all could be the default. The important thing is either set-up is easily doable with the approach I and @resplin have described.

Functionally speaking, translation is a very different type of functionality from what we’re discussing here, so I would strongly suggest starting a linked topic for any further discussion about such features.


(Ted Strauss) #28

@erlend_sh
I would gladly be a tester for your efforts.
Which of these features are ready for testing?
Do you have an active fork on this?


(Tobias Eigen) #29

I totally agree with you. This seems to be already partially done in a plugin that is not working now, as I mentioned above. Seems to me that is where we should be putting our energy.


(Erlend Sogge Heggen) #30

I’m not a developer :frowning: And I’m not in dire need of a multi-language forum either, I just gave some thought to how one could go about accomplishing it.

@resplin seems to have been willing to put money and resources into it once upon a time, but he’s not active on the forum at the moment.


(Christoph) #31

@resplin Are you still interested in making discourse more suitable for multi-language communities? would the following be a viable option for you?

If the downside is a dealbreaker, check out this, which could apparently be done as a simple plugin:


(Dean Brown) #32

@tophee did any of this ever go anywhere? I see multiple threads but I still can’t find Discourse best practice for this issue?


(Christoph) #33

What exactly do you mean by “this”?


(Dean Brown) #34

“this”=best practice recommendations, plugins, etc for multilingual forums. I really don’t like the option of running multiple forums, but I have/will have content in 3 languages w/ very little crossover in audiences. I saw several different topics related to suggestions/improvements to handle multilingual requirements, but none of the threads ever seemed to a) result in actual feature development or b) consensus best practices. I was just hoping I missed something.


(Christoph) #35

I think the reason you don’t see that is that there are still very few multi-lingual forums and those that exist will chose whatever works best for them.

What about the solution I posted above?

Any specific features you have in mind?

Why is there no crossover? Because the people in each language community have nothing to say to each other (i.e. they’re talking about different things) or because they don’t understand each other or because they couldn’t be bothered to talk to each other because they have enough interesting conversations within their language community?

  • In the first case (different topics), there isn’t really any reason to combine them in a single forum.
  • In the second case (language barrier), the translator++ plugin could help.
  • In the third case (“couldn’t be bothered”), the question would be whether you want to encourage interaction between through the way you organize the forum or whether you are happy with three more or less separate communities with the occasional interaction and “invisible” flow of information through multi-membership.

If you want to encourage interaction between language communities, you might want to consider not creating the same category in different languages but have everyone use the same category and use the translator plugin. If you don’t want to push people to interact across languages, my proposed solution above seems to be the way to go.

A feature that may indeed be useful for several of these scenarios are translatable categories. It has been requested before.

Another unresolved challenge with multi-lingual forums (or even mono-lingual ones allowing users to change their locale) is the customization of the discobot as described in this topic: What exactly are the effects of "allow user locale"