It seems normal and desirable that they be able to do so if they are simultaneously part of other groups, or if it concerns their public activities; otherwise, it is PM.
However, for relevance reasons, filtering posts from a group by category could be considered via a plugin.
Actually, I don’t think it’s normal for a member of a group to be able to view the activities of another member of the same group when those activities are outside that group.
It’s almost unpleasant…
What does “outside a group” mean?
The concept of “outside” or “inside” has (much) more meaning for categories.
It would make sense for groups if one (or more) category to display were defined for each group. This is not (yet) the case (but is planned in the code, see above). One might think that if a category and a group share the same name, an automatic relationship exists between the two, or that if a single group has the right to post in a single category, then a message in that category is treated as a message from that group. However, this is not necessarily the case; such a bijection is rare.
Recall the existence of private group messages, whose functionality also aligns with what is desired:
https://your.domain/g/your-group/messages/inbox
The idea in this scenario is to do without a category.
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Hello @Jean_Yves_Dhenain,
Let’s all use the informal “you” if that works for everyone (I used the formal “you” with Camille yesterday, following Zogstip’s lead). Ah, French 
Are you the “director” Camille mentioned yesterday, or is there no connection? You seem to share a similar idea with her. I find it difficult to understand, I admit (I’m more aligned with Benjamin).
Like him, and as I tried to clarify with Camille yesterday, this notion of activity “external to the group” is incomprehensible to me and doesn’t seem to correspond to anything concrete (especially not technically at the forum level).
There is public and private activity. What is public is visible to everyone, including members of a private group. Therefore, what they say publicly is visible to everyone, including other members of the private group they belong to. I don’t see how one could think or want it any other way. Otherwise, they simply shouldn’t say it publicly (via private message, or in a private category that might belong to another group, for example).
Imagine in real life a secret society whose members exchange information among themselves. If a member appears on TV and says something, everyone could potentially see it, including members of the secret society. How could it be otherwise? Now, if they belong to another secret society, only the members of that latter society would know what they said (during the secret meetings of that society, of course). What exactly are you trying to achieve on your side? (perhaps explaining it with an analogy from “real life”). A “private group” is not an invention of invisibility for its members, no matter what they do or where they do it.
EDIT: Okay, I think it finally clicked Your “group activity” would simply be what happens in a category dedicated to the group (potentially private). That’s the technical part of what you and Camille clearly want to do. And then, you would just want the group’s “activity” tab to display ONLY what happens in that category. Benjamin provided the solution to achieve this above.
This doesn’t mean other members won’t see everything done publicly, nor that they won’t be able to read it; it just means it won’t appear in the group’s “activity” tab (it will always appear in each member’s individual tab). Is that correct? (In fact, that’s exactly what Camille had explained. It’s just a matter of presentation. I strangely had trouble understanding that.)
Ouch, I’ve re-read the entire discussion, and it’s not simple. It often goes off in the wrong direction just because of a mention that can be confusing or something that isn’t clear (for example, the difference between something not displayed in a list versus something completely inaccessible/invisible, etc.).
Is what you ultimately want simply this?
Hello @Mevo,
I apologize for taking up so much of your time and for the number of responses required, and I would like to start by saying a big thank you.
Yes, Camille works with me.
Our initial need was to ensure that a member cannot see the activities of another member of the same group that were carried out outside of that group.
At the very least, if we cannot remove this visibility, then so be it.
However, we have another, more fundamental issue: navigation.
Would it be possible to speak with you on Skype for 5 minutes? This could avoid many time-consuming exchanges. Is that possible for you?
We would like to:
- Force the landing page for members to be the categories list… because we intend to use this solution to publish updates about our software… this risks unnecessarily cluttering the “Recent” section, to the detriment of discussions between members.
And a couple of other similar things. Like here: https://discuss.elastic.co/ — users first land on the categories.
This is the “top menu” parameter
https://your.domain/admin/site_settings/category/all_results?filter=top%20menu
from which the order of appearance of the tabs is determined, and thus the first one displayed by default
Choose the items that appear in the homepage navigation, as well as their order. Example: latest|new|unread|categories|top|read|posted|bookmarks
and on the other hand, the “desktop category page style” parameter allows you to choose how this category page is displayed.
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That’s okay. As long as progress is being made, or at least it feels like it is, it’s not a major issue. In principle, it’s possible to communicate face-to-face, but I’m not convinced that would work better or faster (in fact, quite the opposite).
Regarding navigation, @Benjamin_D has already provided the solution.
As for the first consideration, as mentioned earlier, what do we mean here by “see”? Do we mean it should not be accessible/visible at all, or just that it doesn’t appear in the group’s “Activity” tab? (though it would still remain visible and accessible elsewhere).
If we use the analogy of appearing on TV for public activity, do you simply want it not to show up in the TV schedule? Or do you want it not to air on TV at all, or even make access to the channel impossible?
What is public is visible; otherwise, it shouldn’t be visible (making it private, which also restricts the potential number of participants and thus the possible discussion), or make it impossible (no public part at all). In that case, it’s clear there will be no discussion “outside the group,” if that’s the only thing they have access to. The question of private messages (PMs) may also remain. At worst, you could also create several distinct forums for each group of people, who would then be completely separated, with potentially different settings/configurations. This is a possible solution.
Thank you a thousand times, but I am impressed by the amount of content in a single response, and I feel awkward because our needs are very specific, such as:
How to change the font color / title and subject colors?
Configuring email notifications
etc.
It is really to get straight to the point and save you the time of writing all this.
That would be great.
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