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The discussion revolves around a bug where silenced users cannot edit posts in personal messages (PMs), only delete or reply, which is seen as unintended behavior. twofoursixeight highlights the issue, noting that this forces users to create new messages for corrections, leading to messy conversations. Canapin clarifies that silenced users can initiate or reply to PMs but not edit them, which seems inconsistent with the intended restrictions. Lhc_fl raises concerns about silenced users being able to delete posts, citing a past incident where a silenced user deleted all their content to erase their history and falsely accuse the moderators. sam suggests that banning deletions might be a good idea but questions whether the term “silenced” accurately reflects the user state, proposing “suspension” as a better alternative. Lhc_fl expands on this, suggesting three user states: suspended (can’t log in), silenced (can read restricted topics), and archived (can’t edit or delete). twofoursixeight reiterates the need to allow editing in PMs to avoid messy corrections and emphasizes the risk of allowing deletions outside PMs, referencing Lhc_fl’s story. The thread is tagged with pr-welcome, indicating a call for community contributions to fix the guardian rules.

When silenced: I cannot edit posts in personal messages. I can only choose to delete or reply. This behavior does not seem intended.

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A silenced user can’t create topics, post replies, initiate or reply to a chat discussion (whether it’s a channel or a personal/group chat), but is able to initiate or reply to PMs.

Not being able to edit a PM seems indeed a bit off considering the described rules.

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By the way, if they can’t edit, I hope silenced users shouldn’t also be able to delete their own posts.

I once had a user get silenced, then she mass deleted her posts to destroy her troll history, and then slandered us of unfairly silencing her.

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I like the idea of banning delete, but I worry that the word “silenced” would not properly describe the user state at that point. Feels kind of “frozen” at that point.

I wonder if in this case suspension is a better path to take than silencing?

Regarding the OP, putting a pr-welcome on amending the guardian to allow editing inside PMs.

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Yes it is more like “archive” user, with the old silencing method is more like “close” user :smile:

Maybe it’s reasonable to have three different states. Suspended users cannot log in, but sometimes you also want these users to continue reading restricted topics. (This is just a brainstorm on my part, not a feature request)

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The problem stated is that in the personal message, I cannot edit, so I instead have to create another message with the correction. This can get really messy.

While silenced, I can still delete posts, which can become problematic for some - outside of a personal message:


I think:

  • don’t allow people to delete posts outside of PMs because of @Lhc_fl’s story below:
  • allow people to edit posts inside of PMs since it can get really messy. Since you cannot edit, corrections have to be done by creating more replies.
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