Discourse AI - Related topics

[Discourse]

This guide explains how to enable and configure the Related topics feature of the Discourse AI plugin.

Required user level: Administrator

Related topics helps users discover relevant content by suggesting semantically similar topics based on the one they’re currently reading. This enhances content exploration and increases user engagement.

Features

• Semantic textual similarity: Goes beyond keyword matching to find truly related content
• Toggle between “Suggested” and “Related” topics
• Available for both anonymous and logged-in users

Enabling Related topics

Related topics is turned on by default for all Discourse hosted customers with the Discourse AI plugin enabled

Prerequisites

Related topics requires Embeddings to function.

If you are on our hosting, Embeddings is provided using an open-source model. No additional setup is required.

Self-hosted instances will need to provide their own Embeddings through a third-party provider.

Configuration

1. Go to Admin → Settings → Plugins
2. Search for “discourse-ai” and ensure it’s enabled
3. Enable ai_embeddings_enabled to activate Embeddings
4. Enable ai_embeddings_semantic_related_topics_enabled to activate the Related Topics feature

Additional configuration

Depending on your setup, you may need to adjust the following settings:

• For non-English sites (Discourse-hosted or self-hosted with own model):
  Set ai embeddings model to multilingual-e5-large
• For Cloudflare Workers AI:
  Set ai embeddings model to bge-large-en
• For OpenAI or Azure OpenAI:
  Set ai embeddings model to text-embedding-ada-002

Technical FAQ

Expand to view a diagram of the Related topics architecture

The overview is, that when a topic is created / updated this happens:

sequenceDiagram
    User->>Discourse: Creates topic
    Discourse-->>Embedding Microservice: Generates embeddings
    Embedding Microservice-->>Discourse: 
    Discourse-->>PostgreSQL:Store Embeddings 

And during topic visit:

sequenceDiagram
    User->>Discourse: Visits topic
    Discourse-->>PostgreSQL: Query closest topics
    PostgreSQL-->>Discourse: 
    Discourse->>User: Presents related topics 

How does Related topics work?

• When a user visits a topic, Discourse queries the database for the most semantically similar topics based on their embedded representations. These related topics are then presented to the user, encouraging further exploration of the community’s content.

How is topic/post data processed?

• For Discourse-hosted sites, data is processed within our secure virtual private datacenter. For self-hosted sites, data processing depends on your chosen third-party provider.

Where is the embeddings data stored?

• Embeddings data is stored in your Discourse database, alongside other forum data like topics, posts, and users.

What semantic model is used, and how was it trained?

• Discourse-hosted sites use the all-mpnet-base-v2 model by default. This model performs well for both niche and general communities. Self-hosted sites may use different models depending on their chosen provider.

Last edited by @Saif 2024-11-04T18:08:05Z

Last checked by @hugh 2024-08-06T04:30:59Z

Check document

Perform check on document:

[EricGT]

Something worth keeping an eye on.

In reviewing many post in Related Topics for an English site (OpenAI) starting to notice that topics in Spanish tend to be grouped together and suspect that if they were first translated to English each post would have a different vector and thus be clustered with other post.

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A side benefit of this feature for moderators is to check that the categories of the topics listed in Related Topics are correct.

As I review each new post I also check the Related Topics. This is becoming an effective way to identify topics created with the wrong category.

FYI - A related idea was noted in this feature request.

Have the AI read the first post of a topic

Suggestion Have the AI read the first post of a topic to make sure It is coherent The category and the tags agree. (I know this can be configured but why not let the AI do it) The content of the post agrees with the category and tags. The content of the post agrees with the title of the post. It is relevant to the forum. (I know spam detectors will catch some of this but sometimes it is not spam and just doesn’t belong) Users may not use the correct category and/or tags and then ask a quest…

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Find this topic when often needing following link which is not so easy to find so noting here.

Discourse AI - Related Topics: Enhancing Content Exploration

At Discourse we are always working to elevate your community experience.  Our Discourse AI modules are designed to make both the management and member experience of your community easier, simpler, faster, and hopefully, more fun. This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://blog.discourse.org/2023/12/ai-related-topics-enhancing-content-exploration

[Falco]

@EricGT

Something worth keeping an eye on.

In reviewing many post in Related Topics for an English site (OpenAI) starting to notice that topics in Spanish tend to be grouped together and suspect that if they were first translated to English each post would have a different vector and thus be clustered with other post.

That behavior is governed by the model, and it appears to be a know problem:

Does ada support other languages than English?

I think the OSS model we recommend for multilingual sites does a better job at this, but we still need to rollout it to more customers to validate this.

[RBoy]

@Saif

• Enable ai_embeddings_enabled for the Embeddings module needed for Related Topics feature

It won’t let me enable this option:

Am I missing something here or is Gemini alone not enough?

UPDATE: The instructions and error description may want to be updated to add that the ai embeddings model should also be updated to match the provider otherwise ai_embeddings_enabled can’t be enabled. The parameter description is missing Gemini as an option.

[Bathinda (Bathinda Helper)]

What do I fill here pls:

I want to fill the above, because I want to enable the first option among the 4 shown below:

[Jagster (Jakke Lehtonen)]

@Bathinda

What do I fill here pls

If you use OpenAI, nothing.

[Bathinda (Bathinda Helper)]

Then this 1st option (Embeddings Module) troubles me, doesn’t let me enable it:

[Jagster (Jakke Lehtonen)]

Most of those are empty. But ai embeddings discourse service api key is your OpenAI API and ai embeddings discourse service api endpoint is https://api.openai.com/v1/embeddings. Model should be text-embedding-3-large (sure, it can be small too but it has some issues).

[Overgrow (OG)]

@Jagster

Model should be text-embedding-3-large (sure, it can be small too but it has some issues).

What were your results from comparing small and large? I know there is a difference in dimensions that affects the model’s precision. The small version is 5x cheaper. Is it really unusable in the real world for topic similarity? Our forum is 99% English.

@Falco

I think the OSS model we recommend for multilingual sites does a better job at this

I’d be very interested in hearing more. Can you please elaborate on where all-mpnet-base-v2 sits in comparison to OpenAI models for a purely English site?

[Jagster (Jakke Lehtonen)]

Embeddings are so cheap that price doesn’t matter — unless there is myriad posts when 0.01 cents matter in total costs.

But honestly… I didn’t see any differences. And for me, because there is chance I can’t use RAG and embeds properly, both are equal useless. i know that is badly against public opinion, but on my site that system just doesn’t find and use anything useful.

Propably it comes from OpenAI-models but I don’t have enough money to use those more professional solutions.