Some user flags, like spam, do not generate a (private) Message topic. We often use those topics to discuss what action to take. It’s probably fine that the initial flagger (assuming not a mod himself) isn’t part of this discussion, but it would be good to have a reply or start a discussion topic on the flag interface. Otherwise, we’d need to create a separate one to have a discussion about what to do, which means extra work and so often doesn’t happen.
Like a checkbox to optionally create a private message topic for moderators?
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That’s not a bad idea for that dialog. But even if the flagging user didn’t have anything to say beyond the semantics of the flag, the moderators might, and it makes sense to have it connected to the flag, I think.
If I’m understanding what you are asking for it’s like a button to start a PM on flags that don’t auto create one? That sounds like it makes sense to me as making a PM for every spam flag is probably not needed, but something might be questionable rather than obvious and having a PM tied to the flag would then be useful.
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A workaround for the moment: click through to the flagged post, and then initiate your own custom flag to start a discussion with the moderation team. It’s an extra step or two over having a built in feature for it, but it’s still a pretty smooth workflow.
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I think what the OP is asking for is the ability to create a moderators only message from the flag admin page, at least for flags that don’t have a message already attached. Perhaps it should even be an option for all flags, as sometimes there may be a need for the moderators to discuss a custom flag where the flag creator cannot see, but still have it conveniently linked to the flag.
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A little late to the party, but I just became a mod on safenetwork.io, which uses discourse.
Another drawback to the workaround is that there is no way to link to the flag, or otherwise directly reference it in a PM. This can become problematic when old flags need to be referenced, as they are not able to be linked to.
Also, if one of my fellow mods closes a flag, I have no indication what was done - the flag itself does not specify. Adding the PM option would allow resolution descriptions to be posted only if necessary. Most likely this would be easier than adding additional options of how the flag was handled directly on the flag page.
The reply option to flags if they are opened with “something else” is what I see the template being most effectively set up as. Adding a “reply” option that PMs “@ moderators” would alleviate both problems, without introducing auto-spam to moderators, because the option to create the PM would be available on an “as-needed” basis.
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A bit of a bummer, since that double flags the post. Our improvements to group private messaging might enable a better solution down the road somewhere on this.
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Couldn’t there simply be another button to go with agree, disagree, defer, and delete? Something along the lines of “Discuss”, that creates a PM with @moderators just like the something else flag does?
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Right about now I could use a merge threads tool ; -)
I didn’t explain myself as eloquently, but I am also seeing a hitch in the modding tools for this area.
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“Old” tab shows decision logs. You can find who permit or reject the flag and even deletion.
This sounds a quite reasonable feature request. For a flag, you can:
- approve
- reject
- defer
- delete
- (new option) discuss
It may be included in defer option.
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This is still a good idea; I added this to the long term todo topic in #releases
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I’m curious if this ever got implemented and if it was, how it works? Our moderator team has been trying to understand how they can best discuss flagged topics. At this time, it seems only ‘custom’ flagged posts have this ability.
It has not been implemented yet, still in the long term todo topic.
The workaround solution I’ve seen used on other sites is to have a topic (or topics) in a moderator only category that are started when discussion is needed. Not as clean as a “discuss” button in the flag queue, but it seems to work pretty well.
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Continuando a discussão de Spam de cópia e cola conduzido por humanos:
Tópicos anteriores em Community Building falaram sobre a importância de conversar com seus colegas moderadores sobre decisões difíceis, mas a página de sinalização de administradores não facilita realmente a discussão sobre decisões difíceis de sinalização.
Então, vamos ajudá-los.
Minha proposta é adicionar um novo botão/opção de resolução na página da fila de sinalizações chamado “Escalar” ou “Discutir” ou “Criar Tópico” que:
(ou: “Concordar… > Concordar e Discutir”)
- dá ao membro da equipe uma caixa de texto para escrever um breve resumo de suas preocupações
- cria um novo tópico em #staff com um link para a postagem sinalizada e um título apropriado
- e links para quaisquer tópicos de sinalização personalizada, para acompanhamento da comunidade
- adia a sinalização (para sinalizações personalizadas, isso cria a resposta “estamos analisando”) (ou concorda com a sinalização)
A equipe pode então discutir nesse tópico e então tomar uma ação na postagem.
cópia preliminar:
título da ação concordar: Concordar e Discutir
subtítulo da ação concordar: Discuta com seus colegas de equipe antes de tomar uma ação
título da ação adiar: Adiar e Discutir
subtítulo da ação adiar: Discuta com seus colegas de equipe sobre a postagem
título do tópico: Postagem sinalizada em “Nome do Tópico”
categoria do tópico: staff_category_id
corpo do tópico:
Em relação às ${count} sinalizações nesta postagem:
${post_link}%{if link}Sinalizações personalizadas: {flag_link}, {flag_link}, ${flag_link}%{end}
${user_text}
Lembrete: Normalmente, apenas um segundo acordo é suficiente para tomar uma ação de moderador. Para mais dicas, consulte o Discourse Moderation Guide.
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I believe @jomaxro already has a topic about this, so this’d be a dupe. Worth it for him to check.
This is also a fair bit of work for what’s honestly quite rare – plus, there’s already a way to handle this. You can easily manually create a discussion topic in the staff category as needed, and I find that “let’s discuss behavior X and whether it is something we want or not” is a far more useful discussion than “let’s discuss flag X”.
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I didn’t start it, but the topic is Moderator discussion of spam, etc. flags. The topic is marked planned, and adding “discuss” to the flag queue is also listed in the long term Upcoming feature to-do list.
FTR, I’m still in favor of this feature. Not as much here on Meta (as we just take temp discussion into chat), but other sites could really use it.
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A “planned” would be good enough IMHO. It isn’t often that moderators want to discuss something like “why was this Flagged?” In most cases the “something else” that allows discussion works fine. When a discussion is wanted that doesn’t have an associated topic (eg. a trusted member Flags as inappropriate but the Moderator isn’t sure why), using Slack works for now.
Prior to using Slack, we used a special “Reports” category with topics referencing posts. Because Slack was less cumbersome that category has since been abandoned in favor of Slack.
So I think having a way for forums that don’t have an external communication option that had an easier workflow would be a good thing.
The mods on my forum regularly discuss flags. It would be handy to be able to start a mod conversation directly from the flag dialog.
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Talvez eu esteja um pouco atrasado, mas gostaria de saber como verificar o status deste pedido de funcionalidade! Nós também gostaríamos de ter uma opção “Discutir Sinalização”!
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