请不要自动订阅我的摘要邮件

Discourse adoption is growing and I’ve signed up for accounts on deployments used for support forums for Processing, Hugo, GitLab, and others.

However, it is a little bit tedious every time I encounter one of these sites, because I am always subscribed to summary e-mails.

I frankly am not interested in the community aspect of these sites, I am just signing in to ask a question. I am only interested in the discussion related to my question—which I likely asked a month ago—or perhaps an exist post I found by a web search and want to subscribe to. I cannot provide any input on the threads that the summary e-mail alerts me about.

Please make summary e-mails opt-in.

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It wasn’t lost on me that signing up to provide this feedback also opted me into summary e-mails for this forum, so I went looking to proactively disable them.

It took me a minute clicking around to find my avatar → my username → Preferences → Email settings. The setting says this:

When I don’t visit here, send me an email summary of popular topics and replies

If I’m not visiting this site, surely it is a good indication that I’ve moved on and am not interested?

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That’s not my experience. “not visiting” means that you don’t have your browser open to the site. I agree that the default value for suppress digest email after days might be better at something under 365 days, but there are plenty of sites that I am happy to get summaries for when I don’t visit. It’s just two clicks (from the summary email) to disable summaries, which is faster than wading around to find them as you did.

individual sites can adjust whether and how often summary emails are delivered.

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Hi Ryan,

It is up to each site about whether or not they want to enable digest email to begin with, and many communities prefer to keep digests. They are a good way to keep tabs on communities that you check in on every once-in-a-while.

You aren’t going to get these forever if you ignore them. After a configurable amount of time (default 1 year) if the site has not seen or heard from you, it will stop sending digests. Maybe like @pfaffman suggested, we could consider turning the defaults down slightly there.

There is no way of knowing how each user intends to interact with a given community. We make a good attempt to set good defaults across a wide range of users, but there’s no way to ship a one size fits all.

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I definitely agree that signing up to ask one question should not opt-in to a year of weekly e-mails, which seems to be the default.

The feature where it stops sending digests seems like a nice one. However, I still feel that it should ask me before sending me e-mail at all.

For instance, there is a tutorial that happens when I sign in, which includes discobot sending me a greeting, etc. How about asking me if I want summary emails?

You could apply the inverse of the existing feature, and detect if I am likely to want summary e-mails, and then ask me. Like, I have spent some time browsing around, or have come back on multiple days and looked at more than just posts that I submitted.

Or send me a single summary e-mail, and have a link that says “do you want to receive more of these? Click here.”

I don’t strongly agree that this feature should be at the whim of the site owner, instead of the user. It’s unsolicited e-mail when I haven’t opted into it, point blank. I bought a shirt once and I started getting daily sales offers from the same vendor. Is this really materially different from that? Is that kind of behavior what Discourse wants to be associated with?

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That’s a fair point as Discourse does have other thresholds for banner notifications for this that follow those kinds of conventions.

We definitely appreciate your thoughtful feedback and suggestions here.

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Thanks for being receptive.

A last thought: When using the sign-in with Google etc. feature, I understand that the app gets my email address for the purpose of creating a user identifier, but it feels less like I am actively consenting to the use of my email address for contacting me. Is that weird? I expect sites to contact me when I manually type in my address, less so when I just click some sign in buttons.

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这仍然非常令人恼火,尤其是在 Discourse 被更广泛采用的现在。

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紧接着:

作为用户:
我习惯于自动订阅,并且不觉得取消订阅很麻烦。但我希望在注册时有一个选择加入的步骤。

作为管理员:
我不想激怒那些确实觉得取消订阅很麻烦的人去点击他们的垃圾邮件按钮。我也不想浪费电子邮件积分发送那些永远不会被打开的消息。

如果有一个最后通知功能,我更可能将“在天数后禁止摘要邮件”的设置从 365 缩短到某个更短的数字:“我们注意到您已经 [X] 天未访问 - 您仍然想接收我们的电子邮件吗?”

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作为用户, 我习惯了自动订阅。每次我提供我的电子邮件地址,我都会习惯性地收到不可避免的垃圾邮件,一股不断扩大的洪流,使得曾经有用的媒介的信噪比趋近于零。我的收件箱,曾经是高效工作、爱好讨论和家庭更新的场所,现在却充斥着服装促销、政治筹款、常旅客报表、众筹启动以及源源不断的、越来越细微的订单更新:订单已确认订单正在准备发货订单已发货订单明天送达订单已送达请留下评论

作为用户, 我已经接受了单调递增的未读邮件数量作为生活中的一个事实。我维护两个电子邮件账户:一个用于“纯粹的垃圾邮件”,另一个用于“大部分是垃圾邮件”。(这个 Discourse 账户就关联到前者。)我已经放弃了创建邮件规则,因为这需要持续的维护。尽管我认识到这是徒劳的,但我仍然使用加号地址和转发别名,这加剧了登录和联系客户支持时遇到的问题。

作为用户, 我期望互联网被那些以牺牲一切为代价来驱动“参与度”这一神圣指标的增长技巧所持续侵蚀。我期望通过复杂的设置菜单来选择退出通知,并且对于“接受”或“7天后提醒我”的二分法感到麻木。我并不惊讶这种蔓延已经从在线业务通过社交网络的桥梁传播到社区,使社区不能仅凭讨论的优点就能蓬勃发展的观念正常化。

作为用户,我痛惜开源软件本身是从一群程序员的社区中自发产生的,他们预见到商业利益将超越用户的利益,而现在却延续着同样的利益错位。

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