Polls can't be altered (even by Moderators) after 5 minutes?


(cpradio) #1

Is this a setting somewhere? As I think moderators/staff should be able to alter a poll regardless of the time limit.

What if a regular user creates a poll that is “unfitting” or one of the options isn’t permitted by forum rules?


Moderators cannot remove polls from posts
Moderators cannot remove polls from posts
Why can't polls be removed after 5 minutes of being posted?
(Bill Ayakatubby) #2

I agree, as long as poll edits are forbidden if the poll already has votes. In that case, the poll choices should be permanently locked. If you want to change the choices, you should close the poll and open a new one with the corrected options.


(cpradio) #3

I’m on the fence on that. I can see reasons why you may want to alter the poll option but keep the votes associated to that option (make it more descriptive, correct spelling, whatever).

Though I do see your position and this issue likely exists because of the infancy of this option right now. Once it matures more, it may be more suitable to editing than what it is today.


(Bill Ayakatubby) #4

The reasoning behind my opinion is one of general pessimism and mistrust of “people on the Internet.” Not very civilized, I know, but I can’t help it. I don’t want to vote for, “Yes, I love ABC!” only to have an evil forum mod later change the the option to, “No, I hate ABC!”


(Vikhyat Korrapati) #5

Because of the way the plugin works right now, since votes are directly linked to the contents of the actual option changing an option will cause you to lose all of the votes for that option.

Maybe allow both the original poster and staff or moderators to edit the options if there are no votes (and getting rid of the 5 minute restriction), and allow staff to edit poll options after that but reset votes if they press “OK” on a warning that the votes are going to be reset?


(probus) #6

Why aren’t you afraid that the same evil forum mod will edit all your posts and user profile data as well? It’s not like this is going to be used for voting for the President.


(Bill Ayakatubby) #7

Who says I’m not? But that isn’t what this topic is really about.


(probus) #8

Well, if you are afraid of those thigs happening as well, that argument doesn’t seem to be about polls at all but general mistrust in moderators.

Polls should be editable just like avery other kind of post because:

  1. There is no reason for them to be any different
  2. Every reason for editing posts stands for editing polls as well
  3. User interfaces should be consistant across similar functions

You can always look at the editing history if you’re feeling paranoid.


(Josh Brodie) #9

I’m of the same mind as probus on this. I think that if you distrust moderators enough to build that distrust into the system, you should really start to question whether you should have moderators at all.


(Sam Saffron) #10

I dunno, on the fence here, mods should be able to fix typos on options. Removing and adding options kind of invalidates the whole poll even in cases where an option has 0, cause information is lost.

I am ok with allowing mods to alter the text of an option, think that is a good enough compromise that does not change the semantics of votes unless mods are evil.

cc @radq


(cpradio) #11

Yeah, sorry, I really only care about mods and above being able to alter polls. Users should be restricted (even the owner) in my opinion.


(Allen - Watchman Monitoring) #12

It’s our forum. End of story.


(probus) #13

Why complicate things? Users can edit posts as much as they like and it works. There is nothing different here.

I disagree. Instead of disciplining bad behaviour (someone editing the poll in a bad way) moderators will have to answer to all of the posts and flags like Hey, I forgot George Harrison from my ‘Who’s your favourite Beatle?’ -poll, can you add that?, I made a typo, can you fix that? and deal with duplicate polls because the OP can’t edit.

Forums are full of polls like ‘What’s your favourite sports brand: Nike, Adidas’ and adding Puma or New Balance there does not invalidate the whole poll. It just makes more work for the mods if the poster can’t do it themselves. Possibly multiple times, after they request Under Armour, Reebok or whatever comes up in the comments the next day.

How often do you have problems with editing posts? The users who post the polls don’t want to change the semantics of the votes, because it’s their poll after all. And most of them are not evil either.

Users should be allowed to make mistakes, because it works.


(Sam Saffron) #14

I ok to relax this restriction for mods and admins. Normal users should have to PM a mod for help though.

cc @radq


(Vikhyat Korrapati) #15

So should I allow staff to make arbitrary changes to a poll including adding/removing options or only editing existing options? I think adding or removing options should at least reset all votes on the poll.


(cpradio) #16

I’m not sure I see a reason for why you’d need to reset the votes. None of the other forums (or even Poll Daddy) work that way.


(Vikhyat Korrapati) #17

Because in a poll you have to select an option out of the ones presented to you. If you add more options it invalidates the votes on the previous version of the poll.

For example if my college used a poll on a student-only Discourse forum to decide what is going to be served for breakfast on Thursdays and a new option was added, it should invalidate all previous votes. Though a better solution would be to lock the previous poll and create a new one, that way you are sure that everyone knows that a new option has been added and they need to vote again.

I’m okay with letting moderators edit options since the way I see it that is going to generally be used for correcting spelling mistakes or formatting, but allowing adding or removing options makes me pretty uncomfortable.


(cpradio) #18

I just don’t see that being a clean solution. How do you then notify that all those who voted prior need to vote again? If you wanted to start the poll over, you’d just close it and start a new one. Simply put, you are wanting to add another entry, because you got X number of votes already and several people asking for Y to be on there.


(Mittineague) #19

Adding or Removing options is a very bad idea. eg.

  • bad choice
  • poor choice
  • OK choice
  • good choice

and gets 0, 2, 10, 100
Then best choice is added but the poll looks like it got no votes for it. Bah!

In my experience the main edits have been
Removing the poll/thread entirely as it was SPAM related
Edit out a non-family-friendly portion of the option text.

I have never been asked to add or remove an option, nor correct a typo

IMHO the OP should have the ability to make edits before submitting only, thereafter only Moderators


(Vikhyat Korrapati) #20

It is now possible for staff to edit poll options after the 5 minutes have passed. Adding and removing options is not possible, you will be prompted to lock the current poll and create a new one.