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:discourse2: Zusammenfassung Sam’s Simple Theme erstellt ein “minimales” Themenlisten-Design
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Ich habe viel darüber nachgedacht und beschlossen, es mit einer “minimalen” Anpassung der Startseite zu versuchen.

Um dieses Theme hier auf Meta auszuwählen, gehe zu deinem Profil: https://meta.discourse.org/my/preferences und wähle das Theme aus. (Denke daran, auf “Speichern” zu klicken)

Hier ist eine Liste der Dinge, die ich getan habe:

  • Ansichten entfernen
  • Stern entfernen
  • Avatar-Bilder entfernen und stattdessen Namen verwenden
  • Kategorien weniger betonen
  • “Traditionellere Farbe” für Themenlinks verwenden
  • Antworten statt Beiträge verwenden

Einige Schlussfolgerungen aus meinem Experiment:

  • Ich denke, “Antworten” ist natürlicher als der Spaltenname “Beiträge”. Technisch gesehen ist es einfach “Beiträge - 1”, aber es ist ein viel klareres Konzept, um es zu vermitteln, und es macht richtig auf Themen mit nur 1 Beitrag aufmerksam, denn 0 ist eine Zahl, die auffällt.

  • Langfristig sollten wir einen “weniger lauten” Kategorie-Stil anbieten. Der aktuelle Regenbogen an Farben stellt Kategorien in einen viel wichtigeren Topf als den Inhalt. Für mich wirkt die Kategorisierung sekundär im Vergleich zum Titel.

  • Ich finde das Meer an Avataren etwas zu laut. Ich empfehle nicht, das sofort zu ändern, aber ich denke, es fügt unserer Startseite viel Unruhe hinzu.

  • Für mich funktionieren die traditionelleren Farben für Titel besser. Ich finde, sie fangen das Auge und lenken die Aufmerksamkeit schön auf den Titel.

  • Das vereinfachte Design ist definitiv viel “langweiliger”, aber ich finde, es erleichtert die Arbeit durch sehr lange Listen.

  • Ich bin mir beim Zebra-Streifen nicht mehr so sicher. Ich denke, es verursacht mehr Schaden als Nutzen. Die subtile Linie funktioniert in meinem vereinfachten Design viel besser.

  • Der Stern sollte weg. Er fügt nur Rauschen hinzu, fast ohne Gewinn.

  • Ich werde keinen “vor X”-Diskussion wieder aufnehmen, aber für das vereinfachte Design hätte ich “vor 1 Stunde” gegenüber “1h” bevorzugt. Die zusätzlichen Wörter hätten Klarheit gebracht, und es war Platz über dem Namen.

Ich denke nicht, dass das “einfache Design” besser ist als unser aktuelles Design. Ich denke nur, es ist anders und vielleicht für bestehende Forennutzer vertrauter. Es packt weniger Informationen.

Interessanterweise funktioniert das “einfache Design” überhaupt nicht breiter als etwa 850px, was auf einen Bedarf an einer Art zusätzlichen Spalte hinweist, um es zu ergänzen (mit FAQ oder Shoutbox oder Werbung oder was auch immer).

Eine sehr coole Sache ist, dass all dies über das Anpassen-Menü erreicht wird.

VORAUSSSETZUNGEN

Wähle im Site-Setting den Kategorie-Stil “Aufzählungszeichen”.

Einstellungen

Übersetzung Standardwert
replies Antworten
last_post Letzter Beitrag
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Great work @sam sounds good! I really like it

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I really like the changes. You went back to some sort of square one, but it helps to see it in a minimal way so things can be re-added but carefully considered.

My suggestions would be to color the [categories] with css as the same color/style for the drop down in the upper left so there’s visual cues with the associated category colors already established. For the names, maybe we could take a page from the OP meta bar and style it in a similar fashion so avatars still can be seen, since most use the avatar as a quicker visual cue than text. Like this:

That way there’s only two avatars to each topic list item. The OP and the last reply. Instead of what we have now which includes five avatars instead of just two. Not to mention the OP meta bar already has this information (who has participated in the discussion so far).

It’s good, but you’ve gone from being avatar heavy to being text heavy in kind of a nonsensical way. People process images (particularly of faces) much faster than names so I think most of all I’d recommend replacing the user names with images, would be less text to process.

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Yes, that is the gist of my reply, I am glad you agree. Same for category colors. I think those should come back as well for the same reason. Otherwise, I like @sam’s edits. It’s a nice re-start to add things as absolutely necessary.

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Here’s a quick try at adding avatars :baby:

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I would retain the usernames here, not entirely sure I want the avatar for creator, but regardless usernames should stay.

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For what it’s worth, I used @sam’s screenshot and did a little shopping:

You can also style the OP meta the same way as another column next to that.

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I personally, I much prefer the avatars to usernames – if you are shooting for minimalism that is the way. Also, the word by does not need to be repeated over and over on the page, and can be removed.

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Taking off from @purldator’s mockup:

  • A little color for the categories via an fa-tag icon.
  • Remove OP name and timestamp from under the topic titles so they are easier to scan

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I like what you did with categories, but removing op is a step too far imo, also avatar seems a bit big to me.

To interject for some clarification, we are talking optional CSS etc. here and not changes to the Core?

To me a huge goal here is to make stuff more extensible, ultimately I do not think the “simple” design should replace what we have now. I do think we need to cull out stars and quieten down categories in our default view, but ultimately there are different types of consumers for Discourse with different needs.

As you simplify, you lose information, which may be desirable to some communities and not desirable for others.

If a community say moved from years on phpbb or what not to Discourse it may make sense for them to use a “simple” design. If a company has a need for an aux column it may make sense to use a “simple” design. Long term I hope the “wizard” you use to setup Discourse allows you to select between a few themes that cater to different groups.

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That’s my doing and mostly the shop’ was meant as a proof of concept, not so much a solid final draft. I’d be okay any which way the avatar’s size may become in the end.

Its a mish-mash topic now, which is kind of confusing to everyone.

The default core changes being discussed are:

Merge star and bookmark, do away with stars in topic list
Replies vs. Posts (also here)
Quieten down categories
Color choices

But ultimately there are 2 distinct views being discussed here,

  1. A minimal view
  2. Our default view

Thing is that it is not, colors are hardcoded into a style tag on an element, styling categories now is very hard and requires patching of discourse core.

Interesting, didn’t know that. Hmmn.

I do hope there might be a howto in the near future on ways to go about editing the theme’s hardcode ‘gracefully’ without breaking it in the future with an update to the core. I think if users are given a push in the right direction on how to hack the theme to their liking, then there might be less of a brouhaha with people requesting the removal or addition of elements on the current ui, such as was the original topic at hand. (And if there is a definitive howto on this, I need to find it!)

EDIT: Just noticed @abarker’s reply in the original thread, which is stating the same. (requoting here as ref for this new thread)

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I second this too. Even though I understand and respect the goals behind discourse UI design, the looks are something there can never be a strong consensus on because Discourse is in my opinion already very refined and quite spot on.

While codinghorror sees the minimalistic view as less readable and prefers avatars over usernames, I personally think the small avatars are nothing but irritating noise, and some people might argue that avatars should not be used at all while others might want more and even bigger ones.

My professional opinion is, despite sounding shallow or giving the impression that “i’m not getting it”, these issues are effectively matters of taste, so making customization easier also brings the prime ideas of Discourse closer to both admins and users that are not yet comfortable with Discourse.

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I think replacing them with names makes things just as busy, just in a different way. A wall of color looks better to my eyes than a wall of text.

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I do think this is a Great idea :wink: more more adaptable

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