Quelques problèmes avec la recherche (tri, recherche de messages supprimés, etc.)

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We have now been running our discourse installation for over four years. During that time a lot of cool stuff and good memories were born, including a nickname or two, in-jokes and partially a lingo of our own.

Four years is quite a long time, so it’s inevitable that at some point we’ve set off on a road trip down the memory lane, trying to figure out some of the exact dates stuff was born to have some context, you get the gist of it.

I’ve now bumped into some issues regarding the search, first of which is the fact that you simply can’t search deleted posts. Since you can’t completely destroy deleted posts, why can’t we search them either? I would imagine this type of limbo is exactly the opposite of what little benefits hiding posts would have.

That however, I can live with because I like the idea that there are discourse instances out there that are swelling up with flagged old post gold just waiting to be discovered by future civilizations or sentient, rubbernecking extraterrestrial lifeforms.

Also, trying to find the first occurrence of something seems to fail miserably every time I try it, and looking for context using the date limits apparently has some hidden logic that I’m unaware of, making post dates irrelevant.

The sorting options all feel like they just randomize in different ways how the same, probably unwanted results are shown. The one option that is missing, is to sort the hits by actual post date.

The advanced search feels like flying in “No Man’s Land”, you get all sorts of buttons you can press that gives you the illusion of you doing the flying at first, but in the end just emphasize the feeling of wrestling a railroaded automation which does get you where you want to go.

Now it’s important to say that the fuzziness of Discourses’ search is insanely good. Throwing around a few incomplete words slightly, or even possibly related to each other, and you get what you want within the first five hits? Almost like magic.

So, I guess, my question is, how would I be able to find actual, first occurrence of a word in a discourse forum?

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I thought you could in advanced search @sam? Not sure though.

Selecting order by latest isn’t working for you? Oh wait you want the oldest item not the newest one. That’s a bit weirder.

Seems to work OK for me? money before:2013-03-20

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The problem is that this kind of search can be used only from the staff members, all the other users will see at least no result. For now we can search between deleted topics appending /latest?status=deleted to the site URL. I would opt instead to make it works from the search panel simply manually adding status:deleted. I don’t know if it’s possible to do such a thing only for posts.

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I am not sure we keep deleted posts in the search index, should we even? This means we are bloating all this index for data that is not searched.

in:deleted is a trivial 5 minute change if @tgxworld wants to take it, just not sure how deleted topics and posts interact with the index. Also not 100% sure I want to keep deleted content in the index bloating it.

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“order by oldest” is probably the most easily actionable request here but it is … odd.

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Désolé de ne pas avoir fait le point là-dessus, mais les choses ont été un peu turbulentes, comme nous sommes tous d’accord pour le dire.

Cela peut sembler étrange au premier abord, mais ce n’est vraiment pas si inhabituel :smiley: J’espère pouvoir éclaircir cela.

Par exemple, nous avons maintenant, avec un grand succès, migré un forum de passionnés vieux de 12 ans, fonctionnant sous BBPress, vers Discourse.

Ces 12 ans couvrent un grand nombre de discussions, y compris l’émergence et la disparition de termes et de jargon, ainsi qu’un nombre surprenant de nouveaux phénomènes, même dans un contexte plus large. Il n’est donc pas si étrange que quelqu’un veuille remonter à la première fois où une chose particulière a été rencontrée ou appelée comme elle l’est aujourd’hui :point_up: :bulb:

Quoi qu’il en soit de la nouveauté d’une telle fonctionnalité, je suis fermement convaincu que l’inversion de l’ordre devrait être possible dans tous les cas, lorsque les éléments sont affichés dans un ordre ou un autre selon un certain attribut.

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J’essaie encore de trouver la première occurrence d’un mot particulier, mais je sais pertinemment que lorsque je trie par dernier message, le dernier message affiché n’est pas la première occurrence du mot sur le forum :thinking:

Cela pourrait-il être dû au fait que le sujet d’origine où le terme apparaît a été remonté ou qu’il y a une occurrence ultérieure dans le sujet ?

Quoi qu’il en soit, je n’arrive pas à trouver ce que je cherche :person_shrugging:

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Est-ce quelque chose dont vous auriez besoin que les utilisateurs aient dans le cadre de la recherche réelle, ou l’utilisation de Data-Explorer serait-elle une option ?

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Je vais absolument jeter un œil à ce plugin, car il s’agit d’un cas très spécial. La recherche intégrée de Discourse est incroyablement performante dans 99,9 % des cas, mais celui-ci est un peu délicat.