I was just hoping to have a more manual system that hints to the summarizer to do the right thing.
The goal here is the same as the summarize button. If you come to a long topic for the first time, and just want a quick glance, the important posts are there and easy to see. If you want to get involved, expand and read all.
The closest thing we have is giving lots more weight to staff likes when it comes to summarise. I guess we could have a mode where a staff like is infinite weight
The op feels like it is asking for a mode where there is auto manual summarise
I still donāt get the reluctance around splitting off stuff or deleting
This topic is huge, friendly, full of advice and information, all centered around photos of peopleās audio setups:
Itād be nice if the āadviceā and discussion around each could be deprioritized and only the āshow off your setupā posts be in the summary for new users. Deleting is a bad idea, and splitting off the discussion for āwhatās that thing?ā āoh thats a Xā is silly unless you also split off the photo, which is not ideal.
Hereās a topic where we solicited ideas. Ideally, in this topic, the summary would include only ideas and not the discussion around the ideas. Duplicate ideas are posted on this topic because it is impossible to filter the ideas from the discussion. We have manually processed this topic many times to gather feedback, itās unfortunate that our users can not also benefit from that work.
people talking about asking for a feature (support for Amazon Music) across many topics, but being combined into this single topic.
then lots of +1s, then some useful advice on how to get Amazon to do something about it
then a few messages from the company marked with staff coloring to get it to stick out as āimportantā 4) then a lot of feedback on how feedback is being responded to
questions about techniques for contacting amazon effectively
responses and discussion about the effectiveness on those techniques.
Nothing there deserves to be deleted, and splitting the topic doesnt help. Summarize helps filter out the +1ās, but doesnāt do enough.
This topic is super hot right now for us. Our moderators would manually prune this daily with the current āhotā points until the topic dies down.
it almost works, but not quiteā¦ iād want the current post to be auto-summarized for new viewers.
help me understandā¦ why would I want historical context to disappear? we tend to only delete when the posts are bad, not when they are just noisey.
So then do the pruning after that burst of activity is completed. If you have an attitude that āevery post is sacred and cannot be touchedā then thereās really nowhere to go here. You have to take the attitude that preserving the expressed intent is what matters, which can be resolved by combining the same feedback into one post (rather than 10+) to reduce needless repetition, editing the first post to include the information, and so on.
@dannydulai Iām a little lost here, following this conversation. You first talked of something āmanualā. Samās proposition would IMO perfectly respond to that request by summarizing according to moderatorās likes. Then youāre talking of something automatic ? Which one is it that you want ? Or what I am missing here ?
I made an English error by using the word summarize to mean 2 different things.
I want manual āhidingā as I originally stated. Samās proposal was to give me a manual way to add āinfinite weightā to the auto-summarize algorithm. That doesnāt give me hiding. It gives me āa strong hint to the auto-summarize algorithm to hide the post when you click [Summarize Topic]ā. The topic still needs to be manually āsummarizedā by new users clicking [Summarize Topic]. Try it ā if you click [Summarize Topic] and revisit, the topic will be āunsummarizedā. So if the āmanual infinite weight methodā is added to Discourse, Iād need a way to mark the topic to automatically show up as āsummarizedā to meet my needs.
I hope that answers what I failed to convey, and that you missed that [Summarize Topic] is not automatically turned on for new visits.
Understood. You want āhiddenā by default with the option to expand. Not the opposite. So Samās proposition would need to come along with a way for staff to select topics or tags to be summarized by default.
our forum does have 6.000 posts per month at the moment, growing fast. Discourse is real great to manage it
I would really wish to have a possibility to hide posts in two kinds:
hiding just like now (kind of deleting of posts which do violate the forum rules: the mods do hide, only mods can see the posts) And, additionally:
hiding of less helpful posts (really only hiding - only mods can hide them, every user can open them, if interested).
āDeletingā of posts is indispensable for legal sake. We actually do use the hiding mode for this, as only users with very high trust level are allowed to see them.
The additional possibility to āsoft hideā posts would be very helpful to keep threads āreadableā, to keep them close to the topic without making posts invisible for users.
I think this combination would be very very helpful to make forums more helpful for users, as it avoids that readers refrain from reading a thread simply because of its excessive length, caused by off-topic-posts.
We used to use this plugin to fold out content we deemed to be of no value; but unfortunately, the plugin is currently in a broken state and we donāt have anyone to fix it
In the spirit of Discourseās community idea, it might also be an idea to let readers rate posts as helpful or less helpful (topic or offtopic) - again, separately from the previous approval options (hearts) which are indispensable. With a little logic behind it, the crowd could decide, which posts remain readable and which are collapsed.
In forums like ours, where threads can easily have more than a hundred posts and discussions can sometimes be fact-oriented and sometimes personal, something like this would be a blessing to keep threads readable without deleting posts a bit more offtopic.
Is this expanding now too much because that functionality would be close to perfect if those zero contents would be hidden in the way that AI canāt see them. RAG would love that.