I was just hoping to have a more manual system that hints to the summarizer to do the right thing.
The goal here is the same as the summarize button. If you come to a long topic for the first time, and just want a quick glance, the important posts are there and easy to see. If you want to get involved, expand and read all.
The closest thing we have is giving lots more weight to staff likes when it comes to summarise. I guess we could have a mode where a staff like is infinite weight
The op feels like it is asking for a mode where there is auto manual summarise
I still don’t get the reluctance around splitting off stuff or deleting
This topic is huge, friendly, full of advice and information, all centered around photos of people’s audio setups:
It’d be nice if the “advice” and discussion around each could be deprioritized and only the “show off your setup” posts be in the summary for new users. Deleting is a bad idea, and splitting off the discussion for ‘what’s that thing?’ ‘oh thats a X’ is silly unless you also split off the photo, which is not ideal.
Here’s a topic where we solicited ideas. Ideally, in this topic, the summary would include only ideas and not the discussion around the ideas. Duplicate ideas are posted on this topic because it is impossible to filter the ideas from the discussion. We have manually processed this topic many times to gather feedback, it’s unfortunate that our users can not also benefit from that work.
people talking about asking for a feature (support for Amazon Music) across many topics, but being combined into this single topic.
then lots of +1s, then some useful advice on how to get Amazon to do something about it
then a few messages from the company marked with staff coloring to get it to stick out as “important” 4) then a lot of feedback on how feedback is being responded to
questions about techniques for contacting amazon effectively
responses and discussion about the effectiveness on those techniques.
Nothing there deserves to be deleted, and splitting the topic doesnt help. Summarize helps filter out the +1’s, but doesn’t do enough.
This topic is super hot right now for us. Our moderators would manually prune this daily with the current “hot” points until the topic dies down.
it almost works, but not quite… i’d want the current post to be auto-summarized for new viewers.
help me understand… why would I want historical context to disappear? we tend to only delete when the posts are bad, not when they are just noisey.
So then do the pruning after that burst of activity is completed. If you have an attitude that “every post is sacred and cannot be touched” then there’s really nowhere to go here. You have to take the attitude that preserving the expressed intent is what matters, which can be resolved by combining the same feedback into one post (rather than 10+) to reduce needless repetition, editing the first post to include the information, and so on.
@dannydulai I’m a little lost here, following this conversation. You first talked of something “manual”. Sam’s proposition would IMO perfectly respond to that request by summarizing according to moderator’s likes. Then you’re talking of something automatic ? Which one is it that you want ? Or what I am missing here ?
I made an English error by using the word summarize to mean 2 different things.
I want manual “hiding” as I originally stated. Sam’s proposal was to give me a manual way to add “infinite weight” to the auto-summarize algorithm. That doesn’t give me hiding. It gives me “a strong hint to the auto-summarize algorithm to hide the post when you click [Summarize Topic]”. The topic still needs to be manually “summarized” by new users clicking [Summarize Topic]. Try it – if you click [Summarize Topic] and revisit, the topic will be “unsummarized”. So if the “manual infinite weight method” is added to Discourse, I’d need a way to mark the topic to automatically show up as “summarized” to meet my needs.
I hope that answers what I failed to convey, and that you missed that [Summarize Topic] is not automatically turned on for new visits.
Understood. You want “hidden” by default with the option to expand. Not the opposite. So Sam’s proposition would need to come along with a way for staff to select topics or tags to be summarized by default.
nuestro foro tiene actualmente 6.000 publicaciones al mes y está creciendo rápidamente. Discourse es realmente genial para gestionarlo
Realmente desearía tener la posibilidad de ocultar publicaciones de dos tipos:
Ocultar como ahora (una especie de eliminación de publicaciones que infringen las reglas del foro: los moderadores ocultan, solo los moderadores pueden ver las publicaciones) Y, además:
Ocultar publicaciones menos útiles (realmente solo ocultar - solo los moderadores pueden ocultarlas, cualquier usuario puede abrirlas si está interesado).
La “eliminación” de publicaciones es indispensable por motivos legales. Actualmente utilizamos el modo de ocultación para esto, ya que solo se permite verlas a los usuarios con un nivel de confianza muy alto.
La posibilidad adicional de “ocultar suavemente” las publicaciones sería muy útil para mantener los hilos “legibles”, para mantenerlos cerca del tema sin hacer que las publicaciones sean invisibles para los usuarios.
Creo que esta combinación sería muy, muy útil para hacer que los foros sean más útiles para los usuarios, ya que evita que los lectores se abstengan de leer un hilo simplemente por su excesiva longitud, causada por publicaciones fuera de tema.
Solíamos usar este plugin para ocultar contenido que considerábamos de poco valor; pero, desafortunadamente, el plugin está actualmente roto y no tenemos a nadie que lo arregle.
Siguiendo el espíritu de la idea comunitaria de Discourse, también podría ser una idea permitir a los lectores calificar las publicaciones como útiles o menos útiles (temáticas o fuera de tema), de nuevo, por separado de las opciones de aprobación anteriores (corazones) que son indispensables. Con un poco de lógica detrás, la multitud podría decidir qué publicaciones permanecen legibles y cuáles se colapsan.
En foros como el nuestro, donde los hilos pueden tener fácilmente más de cien publicaciones y las discusiones pueden ser a veces orientadas a los hechos y a veces personales, algo como esto sería una bendición para mantener los hilos legibles sin eliminar las publicaciones un poco fuera de tema.
me gustaría dar al administrador la opción de ocultar/eliminar de la lista algunas publicaciones también… espero que esto pueda ser considerado… gracias…
¿Se está expandiendo demasiado ahora porque esa funcionalidad estaría cerca de ser perfecta si esos contenidos cero se ocultaran de manera que la IA no pudiera verlos? A RAG le encantaría eso.