I un-deleted them from the original channel after I noticed they were jumbled in the new one. I should be able to quote them in order here: 
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I'm looking for ways we can capture the essence of the new chat flow as a demonstration of how chat can be the seeds of bigger discussion
Has anyone got any ideas on how we can do that from where we are now with the chat-testing here on Meta?
The feedback points are great, and I think they will be calved off into their own proper topics shortly too, but I was hoping for something that would work as a great exemplar for anyone just joining the @chat-testers. Something that people can just look at and go 'Aaaah. Yes, I wasn't sure at first, but I see how can chat can be the pre-cursor to in depth discussion'
I may be asking too much 
TBH I don't see how chat can be the pre-cursor to in depth discussion 
But that might be because I'm old
So we're looking for an example that will help change @RGJ's mind too
I like the example here. But that example does not fit here. Maybe the topic could be about a feature you miss just now. Something you wouldn't start a topic because for example you don’t have time to check whether there is a similar feature request or you think no one else will be interested into that.
@Moin, your search skills are always a blessing
I was looking for one about seeds and trees, but couldn't find it on here
But, yes. Some kind of relaxed/friendly/informal chat in which an idea forms through the course of the easy back-and-forth, and then inspires a proper discussion topic
This is 100% my interest and use-case for chat. But can you clarify exactly what you mean by an example of this. Are you interested in, say, samples of a chat (regardless of whether it happened in Discourse chat) that could/should/would have (obviously) led to deeper discussion and/or did lead to deeper discussion but in an arguably less ideal medium for it (chat vs. forum)? If that's the case I may need a little to find some, but I absolutely have good examples from my productivity community. If you're looking for examples in Discourse chat, specifically, that's going to be harder to find. But I absolutely think this is a big value of chat in Discourse, and depending on the community, it will play a bigger or smaller role.
I think showcase a discussion around a new feature is actually a nice way to demo it at least during the first moment of that idea. For some people, this spark of discussion is during the time of development or about to begin. There are always more things to discuss about and referring to a topic (or multiple) makes sense.
As a perhaps more conceptual example of a situation where chat can (and should) quickly turn into a topic, even mid-way through a discussion, this is something that often happens in software dev management communities I'm part of, as well as my productivity community:
- New person joins chat and asks a seemingly simple or innocuous question
- Responses from highly informed and/or impassioned regulars quickly grow to 10s of lines of text, paragraph breaks start happening, and that chat channel becomes saturated only with discussion on this one question (topic)
- Everything becomes difficult to respond to as each "message" includes lots of points and ideas and no select-to-quote/reply feature makes parsing and responding to each thing difficult
- These conversations are also often valuable debates that would quickly disappear in the subsequent flow of a chat, so even retroactively moving them to a Topic is potentially very valuable
I think I was initially looking for something we could provide as an example topic/chat here on Meta to demonstrate to people new to Discourse Chat of how it could gel nicely with pre-existing ideas of the 'long-form paragraph' view of Discourse
So even something that we created to neatly demonstrate the principle
Though it sounds like you have lots of examples that would make a great discussion topic
I think anything that can help people easily visualise where in their forum structure chat can slot into would be useful. I am open to all ideas 
I feel that this conversation is becoming such an example per se. 
Feels like something that would become a thread on other platforms would either need to turn into another chat or a split off topic. But at the same time, topic feel also more like long term discussion vs one-off as here?
Maybe one way is to quote the initial chat message that started the idea into a topic: How can chat seed topic discussions?
This can give visibility to people who aren't in the chat, especially if the topic starts with a question
but ironically I'm answering here lol
Hmm, I just tried to quote my replies here into that same topic but I think I only have the option to quote into a new topic, not an existing one
I was just mulling that over. I was working out if I could make a topic with each person's chat as a reply somehow, as there were no suitable chat channels to slide them to. But now you've made it I can see that it could have its own chat channel, and we could move this conversation there
Ah yes, almost like creating the topic that will create the new chat channel
and then the topic can be filled with just quotes from the chat, pulling the highlights
Jumbled
This is 100% my interest and use-case for chat. But can you clarify exactly what you mean by an example of this. Are you interested in, say, samples of a chat (regardless of whether it happened in Discourse chat) that could/should/would have (obviously) led to deeper discussion and/or did lead to deeper discussion but in an arguably less ideal medium for it (chat vs. forum)? If that's the case I may need a little to find some, but I absolutely have good examples from my productivity community. If you're looking for examples in Discourse chat, specifically, that's going to be harder to find. But I absolutely think this is a big value of chat in Discourse, and depending on the community, it will play a bigger or smaller role.
I think showcase a discussion around a new feature is actually a nice way to demo it at least during the first moment of that idea. For some people, this spark of discussion is during the time of development or about to begin. There are always more things to discuss about and referring to a topic (or multiple) makes sense.
As a perhaps more conceptual example of a situation where chat can (and should) quickly turn into a topic, even mid-way through a discussion, this is something that often happens in software dev management communities I'm part of, as well as my productivity community:
- New person joins chat and asks a seemingly simple or innocuous question
- Responses from highly informed and/or impassioned regulars quickly grow to 10s of lines of text, paragraph breaks start happening, and that chat channel becomes saturated only with discussion on this one question (topic)
- Everything becomes difficult to respond to as each "message" includes lots of points and ideas and no select-to-quote/reply feature makes parsing and responding to each thing difficult
- These conversations are also often valuable debates that would quickly disappear in the subsequent flow of a chat, so even retroactively moving them to a Topic is potentially very valuable
I think I was initially looking for something we could provide as an example topic/chat here on Meta to demonstrate to people new to Discourse Chat of how it could gel nicely with pre-existing ideas of the 'long-form paragraph' view of Discourse
So even something that we created to neatly demonstrate the principle
I think anything that can help people easily visualise where in their forum structure chat can slot into would be useful. I am open to all ideas
I'm looking for ways we can capture the essence of the new chat flow as a demonstration of how chat can be the seeds of bigger discussion
Though it sounds like you have lots of examples that would make a great discussion topic
Has anyone got any ideas on how we can do that from where we are now with the chat-testing here on Meta?
TBH I don't see how chat can be the pre-cursor to in depth discussion
I feel that this conversation is becoming such an example per se.
Feels like something that would become a thread on other platforms would either need to turn into another chat or a split off topic. But at the same time, topic feel also more like long term discussion vs one-off as here?
The feedback points are great, and I think they will be calved off into their own proper topics shortly too, but I was hoping for something that would work as a great exemplar for anyone just joining the @chat-testers. Something that people can just look at and go 'Aaaah. Yes, I wasn't sure at first, but I see how can chat can be the pre-cursor to in depth discussion'
Maybe one way is to quote the initial chat message that started the idea into a topic: How can chat seed topic discussions?
This can give visibility to people who aren't in the chat, especially if the topic starts with a question
I think, at least. I'll double-check my thinking before I do anything
I may be asking too much
but ironically I'm answering here lol
But that might be because I'm old
I was just mulling that over. I was working out if I could make a topic with each person's chat as a reply somehow, as there were no suitable chat channels to slide them to. But now you've made it I can see that it could have its own chat channel, and we could move this conversation there
Ah yes, almost like creating the topic that will create the new chat channel
So we're looking for an example that will help change @RGJ's mind too
and then the topic can be filled with just quotes from the chat, pulling the highlights
I like the example here. But that example does not fit here. Maybe the topic could be about a feature you miss just now. Something you wouldn't start a topic because for example you don’t have time to check whether there is a similar feature request or you think no one else will be interested into that.
@Moin, your search skills are always a blessing
I was looking for one about seeds and trees, but couldn't find it on here
But, yes. Some kind of relaxed/friendly/informal chat in which an idea forms through the course of the easy back-and-forth, and then inspires a proper discussion topic
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