Recently, I built a number of Node-RED solutions and joined the Node-RED forum (which is a discourse site).
In that forum, everyone is jumping all over each other to help everyone. From noobs to expert, everyone is vibrantly helping others. In fact, it sometimes seems a bit “testosterone driven” where many of the experienced folks are competing to be the “best helpers” and “first to answer”. It’s interesting. I’ve seen this in online communities before, including ours, over the past decade (but that is another story for another day).
As someone who has been in the space for a long time, and I am sure you agree, every online community has its strengths and weaknesses. When new people come into the community, they provide a valuable perspective because they are not a part of the established social hierarchy. I think everyone who is experienced in online communities would agree with that.
Of course, I greatly appreciate @michaeld contributions, and the
vbulletin.rb script has been a very helpful and much appreciated starting point for this legacy migration to the “work-of-art” you created, Discourse. Discourse is truly GREAT. I have been waiting for something this GREAT for years and so we were stuck, sadly, with vB3 and I’m not so great of a coder to build something like Discourse myself.
So yet, I do plead guilty (and accept any punishment) to being put off and feeling unwelcome when I submitted a bug report during a migration test and then getting what seemed to me to be the cold shoulder and even more “put off” when my bug report was moved from a ‘bug’ to ‘support’, when clearly there are bugs in the
vbulletin.rb script. The suggestion to migrate a perfectly good vB3 forum to a horrible vB4 forum to make this script work better is a non-starter (and put me off, honestly); and so far, no one has taken any of bug reports seriously nor shown any interest in fixing them; so I think not submitting bug reports related to a vB3 migration is a good idea, isn’t that right?
So, it’s not a problem. For example, the current
vbulletin.rb migration script (in the attachment migration) calls for a table,
filedata which does not exist in
vB3. It’s not a problem. I will create a workaround. There are bugs in how
categories are migrated. I created a workaround for this already. Maybe my workaround is not
perfect but that’s OK. I am still testing.
Let’s not turn this in into a
personality discussion. I’m working on a migration. It is a lot of work and it’s slow going; like watching paint dry; but on the other hand it is exciting to see Discourse come to life. I truly am in debt to this community and will contribute back when I get past this “not so fun phase” and get into the “fun phase”, for sure.
I am very appreciative for
Discourse - it’s a
work of art, and a very fine open source product. It’s brilliant. Thank you. And, the migration script, while a bit buggy for
vB3, is workable; and I greatly appreciate that starting point for the migration.
I’m sorry you feel my comments were
unfair. It’s my bad, because I have just come out of a few weeks of intensive visits in the Node-RED forum; where the community has such a great attitude toward helping others, that I was put off by my initial experience with a few discourse players, both of which have commercial interests. So far, that is my impression. Sorry about that first impression “over here” compared to “over there”. It was
Node-RED and their use of
Discourse which convinced me to move our site to
While, you may feel my first impressions are
unfair, I did not name any names, and I keep my impressions anonymous, which I though was
fair at time time. Also, considering my
bug report has been basically
discounted and ignored by meta (as in, well its only
vB3, LOL), what would be
fair in your view? Do you want me to delete my “cautionary” comment on commercial interests?
I’m doing the work on the migration; and it’s moving along, bugs in the script and all, because the bugs are just bugs, things to be squashed and then move on.
I do apologize if during this
spur of the moment test migration, coming out of a vibrantly supportive Node-RED experience, that I have not been as impressed as I was in the
NR Discourse community; but as @michaeld replies to me, he said he does not care if I am “impressed” or “not”; and that is OK. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I assume that that included my initial opinion / impression, right?
I am very favorability impressed with
Discourse and although buggy, the
vbulletin. rb script works
well enough to get started; and enough to have fun, and that is the most important thing, right?
We should have fun!
I would be a bit more happy with
meta if you guys took my bug reports in the
vbulletin.rb script more serious; but then again, I understand. We are on
vb3 and the message is
you are on your own buddy and that is perfectly understandable. I understand.
No one thinks
vB3 is fun anymore. LOL Especially ME after over a decade and I am so happy and appreciative for Discourse so we can finally move off of that
legacy, past it's prime and time forum and on to this
work of modern online art,
Just let me know if you want me to delete my
just a word of caution comment and I’ll do so, if you really think, after this reply, it is still
unfair. I feel it was
fair but I do welcome an outside view, as well. Outside views are good, and generally very helpful (and that goes both ways, I hope)