Yes, I don’t see any problems here. The design can be changed the way anyone wants. If someone wants such a design, they can easily change it. There is no problem here. Discourse has all the intents for this.
I’ve always been more interested in what’s under the hood. And the color of the car, if you don’t like it, you can repaint it, this is the easiest thing to do.
It’s extremely helpful to dig into specifics and use concrete, real examples.
I have no particular objection to sidebars “rezzing in” when the screen is extra wide, to make use of otherwise naked, unused space. Some people tend to maximize browsers which I’ve never really understood…
Simply disabling the preview would cover 99.99% of people’s needs in this area. They just want to type text; they don’t need fancy formatting. That’s already a per-user setting and could be made a default:
If you have any mockups to share, I’d love to see them!
I’m using Circles. It feels more like slack or discord to me. Conversations keep getting pushed down, never to resurface. In the groups I am in there is zero moderation. I have never seen a post moved or split.
I’m having trouble making sense of the conversations.
It destroys engagement. Further it is so aggravating to click read more to see two words.
That’s a great idea. I almost never look at the preview, and maybe markdown is “invisible” enough that people just wouldn’t notice. I can imagine that many communities would like preview hidden by default. I don’t see a place in preferences/interface to say that I don’t want to see the preview.
Right, it’s not a site-level preference at the moment. You can see how to toggle it in the GIF video I posted above, but that’s stored at the browser level, so it’s also not technically a proper user-level preference, either.
Given the drive for “simpler” out of box experiences, I think this should be added as a true user pref and a true site level pref. Same behavior in terms of expand/collapse though.
Ah! I didn’t understand that the browser would just remember the last state.
I think that makes sense. I can’t quite tell if a “normal person” would be confused by, say, the [quote] bbtags or whether they could quickly learn to ignore/trust them. I started using LaTeX as my primary means of producing text long, long ago, so I can forget how Markdown is confusing for folks.
This isn’t always evident but this is actually something Discourse paid a lot of attention to. There is a large attention to detail to make Discourse as customizable as possible for its users.
If there were more specificity in terms of an overall UI or ‘aesthetic’, customization would be tougher for customers who want to change things based on their own company/group’s branding.
While technically speaking its not the same thing… I personally think of the design aspect as similar to Wordpress’ default… which is extremely basic. This allows hundreds of themes to be made for the platform, with little hurdles as far as design goes along the way.
“But I don’t like the current UI: I prefer a very different UI” is not constructive feedback – you need to be much more specific if you want us to consider redesigning anything (this has already been said in a few different ways throughout this topic)!
This is probably also a good time to remind everyone to stay on topic. This is specifically about Circle.so vs Discourse… feel free to start a separate topic to talk about general design things!
In October, I created a Twitter thread comparing Circle and Discourse. My goal was to be fair, respectful, and create a positive exchange of ideas.
I was hoping that more members of this community would jump into a public discourse to talk about the benefits of the Discourse platform.
I’ve run a discourse community and I’m in several others. I value this platform and the work all of the developers. I’m hoping that we can find ways of sharing with others the benefits of Discourse.
However, many new community builders are flocking to Circle because of the way it is being advertised as the solution to so many problems
Tiago Forte just wrote an article writing about his perceived flaws in Discourse and promotes Circle.
He says that Discourse
Requires too much effort to set up and maintain
He had to hire a consultant on a monthly basis to update, deal with problems, and answer questions
The UI feels a couple of generations behind
Lack of responsiveness
Siloed pages (what does this mean?)
This doesn’t match my experience at all. I hope that the Discourse community can find more ways of promoting itself in public.
Quotes from the article
A couple years later I tried again on Discourse, an open-source discussion platform used by many organizations who want to control the community experience. We set up and customized a forum for students of my course, designing every aspect to suit their needs.
But once again, we eventually ran into major challenges. As much as I love the open-source philosophy, our Discourse forum required way too much effort to set up and maintain. I had to hire a technical consultant on a monthly basis just to install updates, troubleshoot problems, and answer our questions.
While the platform was powerful, it was too open-ended and technical for me and my small team. We could customize anything we wanted, but that abundance of options meant that we didn’t feel comfortable doing so.
On top of that, the Discourse user experience felt a couple generations behind what people were used to. Bulky buttons, outdated visual design, a lack of responsiveness, and siloed pages made every minute spent there into a chore. We had swung to the opposite end of the spectrum, and realized we needed a curated, user-friendly interface like people were used to on social media.
As 2020 began I knew we needed a community platform we could fully control, but that didn’t require technical expertise. That was private, but also fostered lively discussions. That had a great user experience, but didn’t force us to give away our customers’ data to a social media giant.
It’s true, I wish Tiago who I admire for his work, would have chosen Discourse and invested in helping our community. As I’ve sat with what he said, I am reminded of a truth that we cannot be “for everyone.”
Tiago is now an angel investor in circle.so. He now has a vested interest in driving more people to use that platform than any other. I am NOT discounting what he is saying about Discourse. It’s just those who are attracted to a stack like Teachable and Circle.so are, perhaps, ORIENTED towards services like those.
I chose WordPress, not Kajabi like two partners did. I’d never, ever go with Kajabi.
I chose Discourse. And…
If it weren’t for the option of managed hosting at a start-up price ($20) so I didn’t have to be sysadmin AND community builder, I would not have chosen Discourse. Ever. At $20-$40/month I can have a roaring and successful Discourse community for less than circle.so ($40-80+/month).
I’m extremely wary at this point of building anything within someone else’s tech platform where I don’t have options to “go elsewhere.” I’ve moved my WordPress hosting three times since I started with them at version 2. If you don’t like what circle.so is doing, then…?
There’s more. And yes, I want it to be easier for my members, and for me. Still, 100 days in, I am delighted I chose Discourse. Truly. Everything I wanted to actually have members EXPERIENCE in sharing and connection is happening. That matters.
How’s that different from paying Circle $39-79/month? I’d guess that he was paying the consultant something very similar.
That’s the biggest one to me. Move to Circle (or Squarespace) because it’s “easy.” But good luck when they don’t upgrade their software, decide to chase some other shiny thing and shut down, or change their prices (there was some other Circle topic that got started when they raised their prices).