Discord is taking aim at Discourse. How does Discourse remain unique and stand out from the crowd?

I like how the title somewhat implies that chat conversations (which are the backbone of Discord) aren’t meaningful… :sweat_smile:

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I have to say that I don’t like their forums. They’re pretty much glorified threads and aren’t even forums.

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Well, people here are changing one of their core principles and understanding that not every single people on the world think like UK guys.

Open-source and self-host (in our case) are a must, but that’s not the same for the majority of users. Numbers talks, there is no opinion that could be more relevant than reality.

I’m glad to see changes on Discourse but I suspect that would takes almost 3 years more of resetting some dogmas and missconceptions I saw around here.

Core team stills thinking that Discord is crap and Discourse is good. And they need to accept that not only NFT GiV3Aw@y guys use Discord.

At the moment, we just can’t move our 100k messages on Discord if we lost our asyncronous activity. We don’t motivates useless chat, we value our time on Discourse AND Discord.

Yep, that’s what I am talking about (I read your reply after post).

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We accept that. Some of us are also Discord users.

:+1: we think that using chat and long form discussions side by side is a great pattern when it works well, and it’s great to hear you’ve found ways to encourage healthy behavior here - it can be a challenge, but it’s something we’ve been saying for a while as well. We’re more invested in doing it within the platform now with #chat, but we’ve also made significant investments in #chat-integration to enable folks to do it with multiple tools.

We hear you. For others who are interested in going deeper on this, there’s a topic about that here: Is migration from other chat apps supported?

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I would be so happy if we could tie Discord Forums and Discourse together. So that you can interact with our forums in either tool, in a native format.

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What’s the point now? You have native Discourse chat? What functionality are you missing?

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I can’t speak for anyone else, but my community has an active subset of users on both discord and discourse. The fourm side has been around for 10+ years and the discord for 5+. Most users are in both but people have a clear preference for which format they prefer.

Both platforms now have huge inertia in my community. There’s no way people who predominantly use the forum are interested in discord’s new forum feature. There’s also no way of convincing the Discord side to chat exclusively on the forum. I haven’t turned on Discord forums or Discourse chat for these reasons.

The only compromise I can see in my case is getting the two platforms more integrated. I have created my own Discord/Discourse plugin (partially based on yours, thanks for that!) and one idea I was flirting with to extend my plugin was to sync one of the discord channels with the discourse chat. The benefit in my case being less of a friction/divide between the two partially overlapping communities.

This is a longer post than I wanted but basically what I’m saying is that for communities with a large amount of inertia with Discord and Discourse simultaneously, such a synchronization is useful

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Great! It ain’t called ‘construction kit’ for no reason :slightly_smiling_face:

Btw do consider PRing if you make any new feature that is likely to be of general interest that we can add to the base

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Agree that most people use both platforms. It’ll be great to synthronize them

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What do you mean by that?

You can already:

  • log in with Discord account (core)
  • sync groups between them (plugin)
  • copy messages to Discourse (plugin)
  • announce new Topics on Discord (plugin)
  • copy every new message in a text channel to Discourse (plugin)
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This is the case within my community, as well. I’ve turned on Discourse chat, but for the moment used CSS to hide everything except the ‘Personal Chat’ sections, which are a nice quick & clean upgrade over long chatty PM topics that are often used.

A crossover general chat between the two platforms could be quite nice though, bring folks together that are a little more platform-separated right now.

edit ~ reading more carefully, it seems like this may be possible to a large extent already, I’ll have to look into it more

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I made quite a few additions. I’ll plan make a meta topic on it one day but as of now, there’s still a critical bug in it I haven’t been able to quash that requires the plugin to be reset every couple days.

it adds a /discord page that looks like this:

Summary

Users can only see their own posts on this page but staff can search any user from the “admin panel”. Users who connect their account get a “Verified” rank on Discord which is required to view the channels there. Other ranks are incremental and based on post count as seen in the above image. Hitting a rank gives you a button to “collect” a badge for it on the forum. Obviously all this functionality depends on Discourse knowing about Discord messages so I added a table in Discourse that syncs over all Discord messages. Once every 20 minutes ranks and posts get synced. I also have new forum topics getting cross-posted onto Discord in a dedicated channel. As you are probably aware, some of these functions are based on the construction kit you made.

A lot of these features are unique to our community’s needs so I’m not sure if there is any general application. But the way I have it set up doesn’t make it too difficult to cross post between platforms for users that have been “Verified”.

But yeah, just to bring this back on topic, this has been my compromise between the two platforms. There’s zero probability I will get the entire community to use a singular platform at this point. The culture between the two is very different and so are the types of conversations that happen; I see value in both though. Because of this, Discord Forums and Discourse Chat are pretty redundant and I’m not sure if I’ll use either for anything other than syncing content between the two platforms.

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I suspect this will be the case for many folks who have had communities around long enough. Moving communities is no small feat.

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We would also love this for our Discourse forum.

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Hosting fees for audio & video chat must be enormous.

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Perhaps like email sending and cloud image serving services, it might be more of an integration option? Easier “mixed media” discourse would be pretty awesome. :unicorn:

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Came across this related recent post from Google: Bringing more voices to Search

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Wow! What a surprise! Are Google engineers reading this topic? :wink:

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Oh wow, this forum stuff seems to be spreading everywhere. (Discourse, Discord, Google?)

It’s kinda funny. Forums were popular back on the day, then they died, and now they’re becoming big again :thinking: